Today’s Flash Back Friday episode is Jason Hartman’s interview with Dr. Christopher Exley, Reader in Bioinorganic chemistry at The Birchall Centre, Keel University in Staffordshire and Honorary Professor at the UHI Millennium Institute. They talk about aluminum and how the third most abundant element in the Earth’s crust is non-essential and largely harmful to life. Dr. Exley also discusses his research which led him to investigate silicon, which primary duty could be to keep aluminum from wreaking havoc with biology.
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Dr. Christopher Exley 1:59
Yeah, thank you very much. Yes. Thanks for the invitation to talk to you.
Jason Hartman 2:02
Well, my pleasure, and you’re coming to us from beautiful England, right?
Dr. Christopher Exley 2:04
Of course. It’s always beautiful in England. Between
Jason Hartman 2:09
the days of drawing in and a little bit dreary out at the moment, but it’s always beautiful. I remember on my one of my last trips to England, I really got to experience the English countryside. I just, it was just stunning. It was beautiful. Yeah, we were blessed. We’re blessed with many, many beautiful areas. Yes, you certainly are. In such a small island. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And and it used to be in the old days that the sun never set on the Empire. That’s right.
Dr. Christopher Exley 2:35
Yeah. Yeah. I think the changing
Jason Hartman 2:37
tell us about aluminum and the dangers. Yeah. Well, my
Dr. Christopher Exley 2:40
I mean, there was the research area that I’ve worked in for nearly 30 years now is actually I want to understand everything that I can about how Alan minium impacts upon living things, we really began asking the question, is aluminium useful for life in any way, and we don’t mean, obviously, it’s useful for making cars and this type of thing. But is it useful as an element of life for bringing life and being essential for living things, and we were never able to actually identify anything. And the fact that still true today, that no living organism uses a minion for any beneficial purpose whatsoever. And this is very interesting, because our minion is actually the most abundant metal in the Earth’s crust. And it creates a sort of paradox because all of the other abundant metals in the Earth’s crust and indeed, all of the other abundant elements are essential to life. So trying to understand why the most abundant element, and sorry, metal and the third most abundant element, aluminium is not essential for life has really been, you know, my life’s work trying to understand that now, but when you when you really begin on that pathway, you then of course, start to come across a number of different areas where and a million does have aluminum, as you call it does impact upon living things.
Jason Hartman 4:10
I like the way you say it better
Dr. Christopher Exley 4:13
than mine, because I remember to do it that way. And for example, one way which perhaps many people might have come across. And certainly in North America, you had a problem with something called acid rain, and we’ve had a problem in Northern Europe with acid rain. And certainly back in the mid 70s and early 80s. This was quite a significant problem. And what we learned at that time, and this is really where my research started in the early 80s. We learned that the acidification that was produced by acid rain, and this is of course of manmade origin, this ring before the anthropogenic origin wasn’t actually the problem. It wasn’t it wasn’t the acidity that was killing fish in lakes or trees and forests. It was actually Hello minion beings. Least into those lakes, or into the soil waters at the trees were taking about a minion, the fish were being killed by Allah lynnium. And this immediately told us that when our minion was biologically available, it is actually quite toxic. And actually, this then started to fit with a number of other observations, including observations in humans, where, when, under certain circumstances where humans have been inadvertently exposed to other million, we found out how to minimis neurotoxic and produce quite a serious encephalopathy or death of neurons in the brain, we found that it affects bone and bone conditions, we found that it produced an anemia within individuals. But these conditions are mainly what we would describe as an acute condition. And we are much more interested in what I now call living in the animation age. Because when I went to school, we did things we learned about things like the Iron Age, the copper age, the Bronze Age, but actually what I’ve described the last hundred years or so since we were able to take aluminium out of its inert ores from the earth and turn it into metal. I’ve called this the aluminium age and it’s the element of age because it can’t even begin to imagine the number of different ways that we actually use aluminium to begin with in our everyday lives. So getting an understanding now of not only how it is used, but the consequences of its use is part of a program that we have running here at Keele called our human exposure to Allah minion program. And part of that is looking at the way in which we know we’re using our medium and another part of it is perhaps where we might not be aware that Allah minion is a contaminant of a number of systems and therefore as a contaminant may also we are being exposed to it and maybe getting inside our body
Jason Hartman 6:59
talk to us if you would before you go on this very interesting about some of the the exposure points were we getting it you know your recent study talks about baby formula I believe deodorant and Auntie per sprint is a problem as was one of the culprits as well right?
Dr. Christopher Exley 7:15
There are so many but if you want to highlight a few Yeah, you picked up one day which is anti PR Sprint’s now risk Be careful because Allah minion acts as antiperspirant it is not a deodorant. So you can get some anti personnel you can get some deodorants, which the only deodorant they don’t have aluminium in them. But anything which uses the word antiperspirant contains out of millions. And yes, these are incredibly effective at preventing sweating. So yes, you couldn’t you may be applying about one gram of aluminium salt into each arm every morning if you’re a regular user, but I mean in my department, other examples are, for example, vaccination, we use element in in adjutants adjuncts are used to make sure that the vaccine goes a long way produces a strong immune response to a very small amount of the antigenic. And we use elemental imageevent they’re nearly the only adjutant we’ve used for almost 100 years
Jason Hartman 8:11
is that in every type of vaccine, or just salon nearly
Dr. Christopher Exley 8:16
every type. So in other words, you could probably make an approximation of 80%, or more of all vaccinations ever given included an element in measurement and still do today. Because it’s very effective. And of course, it’s very cheap. So it really does allow me to use a very expensive antigen in very, very small amounts, because it promotes the antigenic effect. it amplifies it in other words, exactly, it’s very effective. And that’s why we use it.
Jason Hartman 8:45
So would it be part I’m just curious about the vaccines? Would it be possible to make that vaccine if if you could have access to it and pay more for it for to have more of the antigen and less of the aluminum or none of the aluminum? Or would it not work that way at all?
Dr. Christopher Exley 9:02
Well, some of those vaccines where aluminium adjutants are used, I am not even sure that you would get the same type of immune response if you left out the element imageevent part and even if you use more of the antigen, so and I’m not really sure that those types of experiments have really been done, because in some instances, you may hardly get any antigenic response at all. It is that important. Now, there are other Agilent materials that have been used in the past and some that are still used today. Namely aluminium has been chosen. Yes, because it’s cheap. And because many people think it’s completely safe now, it probably is quite safe. But there are a number of people who it would appear do suffer a bad reaction to aluminium and Agilent in the same way, as they may be people who suffer from fear Exposure to aluminium in other ways, you know, we using it in our medications, we put it in all sorts of food. It’s, it’s in so many different things in so many different ways that the result is that every cell in my body in your body doesn’t just include some animalium atoms, some more than others, some individuals more than others, and those aluminium atoms, they’re not benign, they are biologically reactive they are by chemically involved in processes going on. But none of those processes are necessary or required or indeed beneficial. So each and every one of us, I always talk about with coping without body burden about a minion, we have a burden. Each and every one of us have aluminium associated with us, which has come from what we do in our everyday lives, where we live, what we do everything that we do, and our body has to expend energy dealing with that. Now, we do not know what the long term consequences of that are. So some of your listeners or readers, they may have heard of connections with, for example, neurological diseases, like Alzheimer’s has been a connection between other medium and outside lives. Indeed, there are other connections with things like Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis. These conditions, we are not sure what the exact connection with elementium is. And we’re not sure whether it’s dependent upon for example, an iminium being accumulated over a lifetime or an approaching lifetime before any effect could be noticed. But there are, there are definitely strong links here. And they may, they may come from the fact that we also know that with age, we accumulate out a million in our body. So while we are continually excluding an iminium, that that that we take in, some of it is accumulating. And so we know that when we die, there will be more than a minimum, there are bodies and when we were born, there are all of these factors to me, even though I cannot be sure whether my intuition tells me that something which has no biological function, it’s not required for any purpose has never been shown to be beneficial in any way. It’s probably something we don’t want, or I would agree completely. And therefore, we should until we know more, until we really understand what the long term consequences of a lifetime exposure to aluminium, what those consequences are, we should look we should you know, adopt a precautionary approach. And we should reduce our exposure to aluminium as much as possible. Now, this is why probably bringing you back to the reason why you called me. This is why the recent research showing very significant levels of out a million in baby formulas, infant formulas, breast milk substitutes, is really quite alarming. Because these are the most the newest and most vulnerable members of our society, and we’re offering them an Armenian boost in the first few months of their lives. And This to me is wrong.
Jason Hartman 13:12
So what about the vaccine debate? I mean, we’ve done some shows on that before and people believe there’s an autism connection, etc. And then I want to ask you, other than staying away from aluminum? Is there any flesh? Is there any cleanse anything that can reduce the amount of it in our bodies? Yeah, what
Dr. Christopher Exley 13:29
do you think we’ve got to be careful of, and always be careful of is, we need to go by the science. And there’s something that my group has always done. And for example, we have a research program, looking right now, at the biological availability of aluminium in vaccines. We’re interested in that, because clearly something which is so immunogenic has significant biological activity, and if and therefore has the potential in some individuals to produce harm, and we need to understand that. Now, of course, that doesn’t mean that it is associated with any of these vaccine related disorders until we’ve done the research to say otherwise at the moment, we don’t know. But there are the links and you’ve suggested some of those yourself. Now, our philosophy about our medium is first of all, sometimes we the people for the aluminium industry think that you know we hate anime and we’re the opposite of God. We love anime and we this is what we do. For our research is our life. It’s my life. It’s what I do more than anything else. And we under no circumstances are saying that listen, we’ve got to ban aluminium. We realize that’s ridiculous. Aluminium has done a huge amount of good for mankind, particularly in the 20th now 21st century in manufacturing, though in in many ways that’s correct in many different ways. It’s been incredibly beneficial. However, what has never been asked of the aluminium industry. They have never been asked to demonstrate safety in any application, any application at all. And therefore, it’s down to people like ourselves to actually start to look at this, to start to try to understand at what level we might consider aluminum to be safe. And at what levels we think perhaps we need to do something about it. In other words, we need to be if we’re going to live successfully, and healthily in the Allah minion age, we need to understand this so that we can reduce our exposure where it’s appropriate. Now what you asked me about what other ways and means of cleansing yourself? Well, actually, this is a major research program in my group, as you probably could guess, because you know, we’re obsessed with element human
Jason Hartman 15:42
right? Right, it doesn’t seem like we’re going to be able to avoid it.
Dr. Christopher Exley 15:47
Exactly, and you get the point there, it’s going to be almost impossible to avoid it. So what we need to do, if we can meet, apart from as I think elements should not be included anything in the future, until it’s demonstrated to be safe to do so. Or if it is included, or if it is there as a contaminant, it should be measured and written on the package or wherever it is to tell the user or whoever that is that they will be exposing themselves to element and when they use this product. In the meantime, we have an we found an interesting relationship that goes right back to my original work, which is an element in toxicity and fish, we were able to show that alumnium has a natural antagonists something which protects against element in toxicity. And that’s, that’s actually it’s the second most abundant element in the Earth’s crust, silicon. Silicon protects against the toxicity of Allah minion. Now, this very interesting relationship is the chemistry of it is one of the major programs in my in my team, but also we’re trying to apply that chemistry to both reduce the amount of aluminium that we absorb across our gut from our food, etc. And also to when actually remove the animal is already present in the body. And the way that you can do that, and this is going to sound rather simple, but it works. There are on the market. And for example, in the US An example would be Fiji water. And by the way, we do not get any funding from these organizations, there are mineral waters that are rich in the elements silicon. And in these mineral waters, the silicon is in a form called soluble silicon, we call that silicic acid. What we know is that when you drink the silicon rich mineral water, the silicon or salicylic acid in there goes into your blood and helps to remove elements from your body via your kidney so up, you could use that in Manila in your urine. So we are now have a number of programs, both with healthy volunteers but also been working with people without simas disease people with Parkinson’s disease, we’re just about to start a study with people with multiple sclerosis. Essentially showing that by drinking about a liter, or so of a silicon rich mineral water every day, you are reducing your body burden of aluminium. Now, if you if you are able to sustain that now, a liter of mineral water a day is actually quite a bit for most people. But if you if you were able to sustain that and keep it as part of your everyday routine in your diet, we’ve done studies so far over about 15 weeks, where we have shown that the what we call the body burn about a minute with individual is definitely reducing. If you could sustain that over months and years, we actually do believe that individuals could gain some particular protection from the possible toxicity of aluminium by doing this very simple thing and non invasive.
Jason Hartman 18:49
Right and now this is this only Fiji water or is there no No,
Dr. Christopher Exley 18:53
no, no. I’m not supporting CG right
Jason Hartman 18:57
I understand there are sponsored by Fiji water. And just kidding. Not
Dr. Christopher Exley 19:02
exactly, we don’t have any fires from them. What I can tell you though, is that this is sort of cuts off now on a bottle of mineral water, you often do see silicon labeled in the amount that’s in the mineral water on the label. It’s often written actually not as silicon but as silica and the if you if it says 30 milligrams per liter or 30 ppm or greater. That product should help you to remove elementium from your body and indeed reduce the absorption of aluminium into your body. Okay, and
Jason Hartman 19:37
so there are many, many types of waters that do this, right? No,
Dr. Christopher Exley 19:41
no, there are not many, not many. There’s there are many in terms of around the world. But in each individual for example, in the UK, there are probably only three or four that we can buy easily off the shelf, you know at your local supermarket and actually my friends in the US find it relatively difficult to find silicon rich mineral waters there too. In parts of Europe, it’s much easier in France and Italy, they have a lot, many, many more mineral water companies. And many of those mineral waters are coming from areas. And it’s all to do with the geology and geography of the area where the mineral water is, is naturally rich in silicon, we actually use in our studies, the the one mineral water company that does sponsor some of our work by providing us with the mineral water free of charges a company called spritzer from Malaysia, which isn’t available in the US or in Europe. But again, they have a range of mineral waters with a high silicon content. And for us to do our studies in outsiders and coming up multiple sclerosis, we actually you can imagine, we need thousands and thousands of liters of this job. So we get loads of it free of jobs from this particular company to do the research.
Jason Hartman 20:52
So can we just take a silicon supplement of some sort rather than worrying about the woods, the hard to find water?
Dr. Christopher Exley 20:58
You know, everybody asks this question. And it’s the obvious thing to do, because you can go to your health food shop, and you’ll see loads of these silicon supplements. Unfortunately, silicon supplements are generally something called silica. silica is a course, what happens to silicic acid when it aggregates if it comes out of solution. silica is sand essentially, unfortunately, that you can’t put if you took out some sand and you dropped in some water. Theoretically, it will dissolve to give you soluble silicon, but you need to wait about several hundred thousand years or something of that. In other words, it’s a very slow process in one way and not the other. These silicon supplements, many people take them and some people actually tell me that they get some positive results from them. That’s quite possible because silica is a surface upon which for example, metals, including aluminum can abzorb. And it might help them metals to be excluded in that way. It doesn’t give you synergistic acid, if it doesn’t give you soluble silicon, or if it does, it gives you a relatively small amount in comparison to what you can get simply from a mineral water, and sometimes from your own tap water. But it’s very rare that tap water is so high in silicon as these specific waters are. So the silicon supplements do not supply you with soluble silicon. It’s unfortunate and we have for many years been involved with trying to develop something which does. And there are companies out there that claim to have developed things that do and we’ve tested them all and none of them live up to the claims. So one has to be very careful about that. I don’t want to put people off using silicon supplements. If people find them to be helpful, go ahead and use them. But they are not working in the way in which we understand this particular chemistry to work. And so it sounds like then the the water advice that you mentioned, and just I mean, can we make an attempt to avoid aluminum? Or is it almost futile? Yeah, no, no you I mean I make attempts to avoid avoided in a number of ways but I I balance those up against my own personal feelings. So for example, I very little processed food because I know that aluminium is used in the processing of food. And I know that certain types of processed foods contain considerably more elements than for example, fresh food where you’ve cooked something yourself so you know we now live I’m sure the US is exactly the same as the UK in a ready meal ready meal world everybody goes out and buys ready meals this and fast food that these are the types of products which will contain more than a million. So there are opportunities there to cut down for example on your aluminum intake. It includes all of our favorite drinks, you know all these soft drinks with colons and similar types of things. These are these will have aluminium in them much more So then, you know, some fresh milk or a fresh juice that isn’t long life. The other thing we have to worry about a packaging. So one of the problems with the infant formula study was that we found was it’s quite likely that the high levels of aluminium in the input format is that some of it is coming from the packaging. Because there’s so much element in based packaging used these days. It really is everywhere. And there is good evidence mean for example, long life products. If you drink long life orange juice, you know the type you get in the sort of carton that you can keep for a year as long as you keep it somewhere out of the heat and things well. These cartons are usually made of a laminate trilaminate they they often have a cardboard on the outside, a policy on the inside but in the middle is aluminium and aluminium is brilliant to keeping oxygen out of the product. So that’s why it works so well and why aluminium is so good. But there is always some element from that foil getting into your product and the longer you keep it for that Fire that content would be. So mean, I would never drink any of these long life type products, I would always buy fresh oranges, something which is in a plastic or perhaps a glass, but generally, I guess plastic container or paper, just feel paper container or something of that sort. You can also avoid doing things in your kitchen. And then you can avoid simple things like wherever you’ve got acidic foods of any sort, not putting them in direct contact with either elementium in cookware, or indeed aluminum foil or tin foil, as you might call it. You can reduce things in that manner. And it perhaps becomes a way of life to do that. I mean, one of the things that I I do do is I do apply, and I’m depressed. Because I cannot live without it. I cycled a long way into work every day. And it just would not be very pleasant for my colleagues, if I was sweating all the time. So I make that sacrifice. But I do quite like to drink quite a lot of silicon rich mineral water to try and compensate for that purpose. So you have you have to choose things yourself as the way in which you can do something about it.
Jason Hartman 26:10
Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense. And one of the things that I’ve heard about breast cancer is that particularly woman but men get breast cancer too. But you know, one of the worst shaving ones under arms and then applying that antiperspirant is so much worse. It should never be applied on freshly shaved skin because that’s when the skin is more open. Right?
Dr. Christopher Exley 26:31
You mean you’ve raised an interesting subject next week, I’m off to a conference in Austria on the very subject of breast cancer. And right now, there is a burgeoning but small amount of evidence that is implicating aluminium and possibly antiperspirants. In breast cancer. That’s all that’s the only place we’re at at the moment. A few years ago, we did our first study on this, I think published in 2007, where we’re able to show that when we took when biopsies or samples were taken from women who had breast cancer across the breast, from the area closest to the underarm to the area furthest away, we were in every individual, we always found more out of minium in the breast tissue in the area closest to the underarm. So that sort of alerted us to the possibility that Alan and you might have a role to play in this disease. Since then, there’s been quite a lot of interesting research, which is beginning to give us a possible mechanism also of how aluminium might have a role to play in this disease. And in fact, I’m going to present some very brand new research at this meeting, some of which I can tell you about now, which is I mentioned already that one of the ways in which we get rid of Allah minion from the body is through our urine by peeing it. Actually, what we’ve found, and just publishing at the moment is that it looks like the perspiration, our sweat may be a much more efficient way that we are removing aluminium from our body. So we may actually be sweating more element and then we are putting on a minion on a day to day basis. Now, that’s a good thing because we’re removing aluminium. But then it raises this interesting question yesterday, the underarm area, we were applying an aluminum salt to stop us removing the aluminium by sweating. In other words, it’s like a double hit that area. Not only you were applying an element in salt to prevent the sweat gland from working, but in preventing the sweat gland from working in that area of the tissue, you’re not removing the elementium
Jason Hartman 28:42
by selecting stuff, because you stopped it there. Right?
Dr. Christopher Exley 28:45
Yeah. So that’s an area now that I think we need to focus on as the possible reason why you that may be elevated amounts of aluminium in those areas, not simply because it’s being applied to the surface of the skin as the antiperspirant but also the action of the anti person in preventing element in being removed from those tissues by sweating. So that’s some new research for you that we’re going to we’re going to review Well, maybe
Jason Hartman 29:10
maybe just in general peeing and sweating more is good for us.
Dr. Christopher Exley 29:15
You’re absolutely right. Drinking. Just Just flushing the water. Yeah. Right. And, and doing exercise. And you know what, there’s very good evidence that, for example, take the well known neurological condition of Alzheimer’s disease, very good evidence that you get protection from physical exercise. Now, we don’t know why. No one has worked out why that is. Perhaps it’s simply because people who are regularly doing exercises are more efficient in removing elementium from their body, right.
Jason Hartman 29:48
It’s a possibility just to know another good reason to exercise you know, you’re just speeding up the system a bit and flushing it more. That’s got to be good.
Dr. Christopher Exley 29:57
It’s it’s that’s absolutely right. I’m sure That’s right.
Jason Hartman 30:00
Yeah, exactly. Well good. Well give out your website and tell people where they can find out more about your research. Yeah, well, I
Dr. Christopher Exley 30:06
mean, where I’m at Keele University, I can give you the website address is relatively straightforward. So we’re at WWW dot Keele, which is spelt k w e l e.ac.uk. And then just forward slash, and then you need to use the English spelling elementium. So it’s www.kill.ac.uk forward slash element you got it done. take you to my website. And listen, if anybody really wants to drop me an email, I’m more than happy to try answer the questions as well as well as I can.
Jason Hartman 30:43
Good. Well, very good. Well, Professor Christopher, actually, thank you so much for joining us today and telling us about this very, very interesting research. And I, I wish you well in doing more research and finding more ways that we can, we can keep keep this metal at bay, because it’s not doing us any good. So thanks for joining us.
Dr. Christopher Exley 31:01
Now. It’s my pleasure. Thank you very much.
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