Jason Hartman plays a Flash Back Friday episode where he hosts Sonia Barrett to discuss her documentary, The Business of Disease. She explains that for profit and control, illness is marketed to the minds of the unsuspecting masses. This has resulted in a society programmed into the disease. Barrett also goes into an article she wrote about the marketing of breast cancer and the pink ribbon agenda.
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Welcome to the holistic survival show. This is your host, Jason Hartman, where we talk about protecting the people, places and profits you care about in these uncertain times. We have a great interview for you today. And we will be back with that in less than 60 seconds on the holistic survival show. And by the way, be sure to visit our website at holistic survival calm, you can subscribe to our blog, which is totally free, has loads of great information. And there’s just a lot of good content for you on the site. So make sure you take advantage of that at holistic, survival calm, we’ll be right back. It’s my pleasure to welcome Sonia Barrett to the show. She is the author of the holographic Canvas, the fusing of Mind and Matter which was published back in 2008. And she’s also got an exciting documentary coming out soon, entitled The business of disease and that’s a full length 90 minute feature. And it’s great to have her on the show today to talk about these and maybe some other things as well. So and you’re welcome how You.
Sonia Barrett 2:00
Oh, thank you so much for having me on the show. And I am Great. Thank you.
Jason Hartman 2:04
My pleasure. Tell us a little bit about your work.
Sonia Barrett 2:06
Well, let’s see a little bit about my work, which is interesting. As many times as I’ve been asked, I always have to think as if I’ve never said it before. But I, I have a book I wrote a book in 2000 came out in 2008, I should say, called the holographic Canvas, the fusing of Mind and Matter, which sort of brings together I think, components, pieces, to this gigantic puzzle, as to our influence on on reality from many different angles. So it’s got a little bit of quantum physics in there, a little bit of science in there. But at the same time, written for the layman, and in very simple terms. I mean, I explore all kinds of components, even the idea of time travel, and reality and the brain the harmonics of time. There’s just a couple of the chapter chapters in the book programming of humanity and that was out of my own curiosity about the nature of reality and my experience in what we define as life. And so the book was born. So I do a lot of lectures and workshops in relationship to those things that I’ve mentioned, and helping others as well as myself to become even more free in how we create reality and be more aware more conscious of how we’re actually creating reality. And and then moving from there. This is my first film that I’m producing, and it was sort of a fluke. It wasn’t something that I had set out to do, where I sat down and said, you know, over two years, I’m going to create a film. I wrote an article called the marketing of breast cancer, the pink ribbon agenda, and the article was so well received all across the Internet, and that I came up with the idea of putting together a small film which turned into a bigger film. So yeah, so a lot of people were very pleased with the article, it said a lot of things that many people felt, but didn’t want to say it.
Jason Hartman 4:14
Well, let’s actually talk about the business of disease first if we can, and maybe we’ll circle back to the holographic canvas and talk about mind programming and creating one’s reality very important, but on the disease angle, since we’re on that right now, what is your thesis about the marketing of breast cancer? I mean, you know, I’ve had various guests on the show over the years talk about how food is making us sick and how the average cancer patient is about a half million dollars in revenue, for their treatment and so forth. And, and, you know, kind of an odd thing I remember I was out with a friend of mine years ago, and it was a Saturday evening and the next morning was the Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure in Newport Beach, and she was the marketing director for the American Cancer Society. By the way. Let me just tell you this interesting conversation. It was just sort of an, you know, offhanded remark. But what was interesting is that I said, I wanted to call it a night and go home because I wanted to get up and run the five k in the morning. And so obviously early in, and she says, Oh, is that tomorrow? My manager wants me to go check that out, because that’s our competitor. And you know, there was nothing really wrong in saying that, but it just kind of struck me as an odd way to look at something that is a charitable cause. And certainly charities compete. I mean, charity is also capitalistic in many ways. No, I have no problem with that. But I just kind of thought like competitor. And I’ve long since thought about that sort of offhanded comment thinking that these are such entrenched businesses. Yeah, they they really are. They’re like they’re like, it’s like the military industrial complex or the pharmaceutical industrial complex or the agricultural industrial complex. When anything industry or government, for God’s sake, that’s the worst of them all. But any industry or union, especially public employee unions, when they become entrenched, the original mission, the cause seems to just not matter anymore. Right comes it becomes how can we increase our size, expand our power, expand our influence and get more money for our organization? Your thoughts?
Sonia Barrett 6:24
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the original plan got it gets lost. As profits come in, and it becomes this real corporate structure is just another business. And I think that, you know, that was a definitely a component that I looked at, I think, but what triggered me in the very beginning was those pink ribbons as I’ve talked about before, so many times I wondered what kind of programming you know, how is that impacting our minds, our brains our thought process our belief systems, I really felt that there was more of a programming that was occurring because of this. And acceptability in the sense of, of cancer of breast cancer we were being reminded in so that was my whole thing is what was what was actually going on? Well, of course, naturally, yes, you go into the business aspect of it, and you start seeing from the business side, just exactly, you know, what’s going on behind the scenes. It’s a huge, huge moneymaker. And a lot of people are, you know, on familiar with, you know, Susan Komen Foundation other than you hear the name and, you know, run for a cure and, and so on and so forth. And the, you know, even the origins of the what is it the October what is that breast cancer awareness month? I mean, even the origins of that was from what was the name of the A chemical, chemical company chemical Corporation, actually, that had originally started the monthly Breast Cancer Awareness Month. But there’s so much money that’s made during that month. I mean, there are hospitals that say they make, you know quite a bit more because of all the mammograms. So so here’s this double edged sword that’s going on, you know, they’re making money off the mammograms but the mammograms do are known for over a period of time, they can contribute to an individual getting breast cancer.
Jason Hartman 8:36
I’ve never heard that before. You’ve never heard it. Oh,
Sonia Barrett 8:39
yeah. Um, the I think it’s the the radiation levels, is you can look it up. I think Dr. Epstein was a medical doctor has talked about it so much over the last I think 2025 years about this, but yeah, the dangers of mammograms and so They actually I think at one point had changed it from women having to have these screenings. I’m not sure of how many over many years, but they they reduced the number of years. But yes, cumulatively, yes, it can contribute
Jason Hartman 9:17
to right. But that’s like saying never get an X ray. I mean, you know, isn’t there a certain I mean, I don’t know that I can really, you know, I can buy off on a lot of other things, but maybe you do contribute to having a checkup. But God, should you not have the checkup? I mean,
Sonia Barrett 9:32
well, I think you have to I said, Do you can there’s a lot of research that’s been done on it, and this is not new, this has been for over the however many years this is, this is known. So you know, well, what, what else?
Jason Hartman 9:44
Tell us more about the, you know, the pink ribbon agenda, if you would?
Sonia Barrett 9:48
Well, from my aspect, those are the things that I looked at in terms of what this symbolized in terms of its impact on the brain and at the same time, examining The fear that was also being generated around this by everybody, not just the women, but you know, families, husbands, so on and so forth. And then of course, you know, then they have pink ribbon Barbie, you know, that they come out with I think during that month, she’s dressed in pink, which obviously represents breast cancer. The bottom line of it is I felt that there was a programming in terms of our young girls as well, where this is more like the common cold, and there’s a possibility that you can get this. And you know, when science Sciences is really looking at all of this, you start realizing that there is an amazing impact on our belief systems and how that in turn, impacts our own bodies. Not saying that we shouldn’t eat well, but there’s a whole lot of other factors involved because there are people that eat what we would define as very well and they still get cancer. So what is a lot of this type two? Is it more of the emotional aspect of human beings you know, is Are those the components that are really causing us to be more in dis ease. And that’s the part that traditional medicine really doesn’t really look into. It’s a very topical approach that has been taken. And so running for a cure. And this pink ribbon doesn’t really express anything deeper other than be aware, be aware, get your checkup, get your checkup, be aware. So So anyway, that was that was my feeling behind it and that enhance the film which goes into all of those other components that could contribute to one being ill, and it is the the emotional aspect of all of this.
Jason Hartman 11:51
Well, maybe that’s a good segue to talk about the holographic canvas and how we create our reality. Tell us about how that occurs. Well
Sonia Barrett 12:00
You know, the thing is when we listen when we examine our belief systems, and I think that we’re so used to what we believe that we don’t really always stop to really examine it, because obviously, this is the way you’ve been living. So it’s not something that people stop and assess. And so you are your belief system is obviously what shaped by society. It’s shaped by your family, your upbringing, your environment, social codes, social programs, all of these components, it tends to be what sort of makes up what we believe. And then in turn, we create reality based on what our understanding is and what our belief is, and that includes our religious belief as well. So there’s there are all these components that aren’t necessarily what we would define as maybe authentic, but you’re you’re creating your model. And shaping your idea of reality, based on all of these things that we’ve been told and what we’ve been fed. And when we don’t ask many questions when when we when our questions are limited to just us to a certain certain degree, we have a boundary around, you know, just what kind of questions we will ask, then, of course, those belief systems would be what is used to establish what reality is going to look like for us. So I say we have a model of reality, our brain has a model of what reality looks like for each of us. And yes, collectively, we have a very similar blueprint of basic things about reality, the physical aspects of reality, there’s certain things that are quite very basic. We know what a chair looks like, we know what you know, tree looks like so on and so forth. The brain has all of has a library of all of those things that are acceptable Opponents of reality, and then we get the blue the other aspects of belief systems again, which come in from our parents, and so on and so forth. Well, you’re going to shape reality, you’re going to shape who you are based on all of these components. So the question is, how authentic is what we create them is the reality that we create for ourselves? Is it is it mainly just made up of the things that we have been told, of what reality should be could be for us? what the possibilities are, what what our limitations are? Those are things I think that we don’t look at, because we just sort of go with the flow, we sort of go along with the flow. So we can you know, there’s other aspects to this and you go into the scientific aspect of it in terms of, you know, quantum physics that, you know, you can’t observe something without impacting it without affecting it. And, and so we can go from there. aspect to, in a sense of what why reality, it presents itself to us the way that it does. Whatever we focus on was what we call real real is realm of focus. So you have real realm and reality, three words that are offshoots of each other. So wherever the focus is, of whatever it is in one’s life, that’s what’s real for you at that moment. And so we have to re examine what we believe what how we think what our thought process is, and why is it then that we’re having the experience that we’re having right now, especially when people have patterns continuously happening to them, whether it be relationships or jobs or just different things that seem to be a pattern in one’s life? You have to begin to examine what that belief system is. There’s a lot of other components to that
Jason Hartman 15:55
will certainly, I mean, everyone would pretty much agree that the unexcited And life is not worth living as the saying goes. And beliefs are like our context from which we operate. And we don’t notice them, you know, we don’t notice why we act a certain way or think a certain way necessarily, unless we really question ourselves. And we do that constantly. Because because that can lead to greater understanding. But is there more to it? I mean, you know, on the holographic side, I’m particularly fascinated by that word. I was originally introduced to it a long, long time ago, when I studied Dr. Carl pre-boom at Stanford University, the neurologist who, I don’t know if he was really the start of it, the holographic brain theory type stuff. But it was very interesting about how when we imagine something, and especially when we imagine it repeatedly and vividly, many people have written about how to achieve goals based on this kind of idea that it can become a reality. Because our brains instead of being a processor of information, you know, and this is kind of my own leap, I didn’t hear this anywhere else. But they’re they’re really a generator of some electro chemical response that is going on inside of us and, and that electricity can actually be measured outside of our skull, not just inside. So then you have to make a few leaps which science, I don’t know that science can really, really verify any of this yet, but it seems like we’re getting close. I
Sonia Barrett 17:32
think so. I mean, I think that, you know, there’s a lot that that is understood about this now, and of course, because we see with our brain I mean, I think that’s a very basic one that people can step back and examine the fact that science says that we see with our brains not really with our eyes and our eyes just really act as a lens. And so the, these light images, or frequencies are really being picked up and translated back from the the optic nerve through the cones and rods in the eyes so it’s like a reflector it’s like realities being reflected onto this huge screen for us. And so we are, that’s how we’re really experienced in everything is everything really is has its own frequency it’s all a frequency pattern and that frequency pattern based on this kind of brain activity because we we have these the five senses was more than that. But these five senses that that we’re really familiar with allows us to have texture and you know audio and visual and all all of those things, you’re able to do those things, which then brings this experience into this solid and final experience that we think we’re having meaning everything physical then feels very solid and feels very, very final in its form. But no, not really because science does show us that it’s tiny particles that come together to form an image. So basically, if everything if we were to be able to slow, slow it down, say examining anything physical and we were able to slow it down enough, we would see that these are tiny particles coming together just like a film 24 frames per second to create this, you know the film The movies, though that we watch? Well, it’s the same thing that’s happening. So you get these tiny particles that come together to form the solid image. But even those tiny particles are broken down into even tinier particles. And if they were to break down at all, as far as we could imagine breaking down these things, it’s like they wouldn’t even be there. Then you also look at the fact that we understand the wave and particle dance, meaning that everything is wave and particle form means When we’re observing it, we thence view it as a particle meaning that it it takes form or shape or texture. And when we are not observing these things, they are in wave form, but they’re both wave and particle at the same time. It’s this paradox that that happens. So, you know, science is already saying these things, I think that what we’re looking at is a day when all of this will become more main, more common to your average person to understanding of these very simple things about how we exist in these forms, and everything else around us will become, you know, like ABC. And I think that’s what we’re dealing with right now is that this is not common knowledge to to your average person. And so we still have have this you know, idea of what solidity is, but there is nothing everything is is in fluid form, everything is constantly moving, it’s appearing and disappearing, it’s form and it’s formless. It’s always happening all at the same time. So what we’re focused on becomes, you know, that’s that’s what’s real. That’s why I said that earlier real reality realm, those three words are all offshoots, or each of each other, because what you’re zoned in on at that moment has to take some sort of form, texture, shape, whether even it’s a thought that thought is then eventually can then eventually become reality. Like everything else. We have a design, we have a sketch, we have a blueprint, and then we build the building. It’s the same thing that how we are creating reality collectively and individually the dream you’re dreaming, dreaming, dreaming it and eventually you take the steps towards bringing that dream
Jason Hartman 21:54
to life. Very interesting. You know, at the subatomic level, nothing is solid. It’s fluid. Just Like our thoughts and, and the reaction that goes on and inside our brains. And those two are a lot more similar than we think. Yeah, very interesting. The thought can turn into a thing. And that thing seems like solid matter, but nothing’s really solid. I remember I had this girlfriend years ago that she was a chemical engineer. And you know, one of the things she told me that I never knew about at the time is that glass is never solid. It’s always moving. Now, I know everything is. But that’s why when you look at old windows, for example, they’re bubbling at the bottom because the glass is actually melted over 100 years or even 50 years probably. And it’s always moving. It’s never solid. If it were solid, you wouldn’t be able to see through it. So yeah, that’s an interesting point.
Sonia Barrett 22:49
Yeah, it’s it’s all very it’s all very fascinating. It if we understood again, the more we understand about all of all of this to the best of our ability I should say at this this time anyway, I think we would find that our lives would begin to be simpler because it would definitely squash a lot of misconceptions and belief systems that actually that we have that actually are to our demise. I think because we don’t understand there’s so much we don’t understand about us, you know, and and our individual lives because of that, overall, miss those overall missing pieces. It makes such a difference.
Jason Hartman 23:31
Fascinating. Well, what about your website if you would, Sonia and tell people where they can find out more?
Sonia Barrett 23:36
Well, my main website is spirit in form fo rm.com that’s spirit informed.com. Its site has been there for about 10 years. And the documentary website is the business of disease.com and my other two websites sovereign mind radio, at sovereign mind radio.com, but the main website will lead you To all the other sides if you forget and you can always just type in Sonia Barrett and Google and the rest of it will come up.
Jason Hartman 24:07
Sonia, you know, you mentioned the documentary as well on Coast to Coast AM with with George Nori, when when is the documentary is scheduled to be?
Sonia Barrett 24:15
Well, January is what we are looking at January 2013. Fantastic.
Jason Hartman 24:22
Well, thank you for joining us today. Appreciate it.
Sonia Barrett 24:24
Thank you so much for having me on your show.
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