Jason Hartman plays a Flash Back Friday Episode 190, originally published in November 2013. He hosts Jocelyn Kessler to talk about her book Secret Language of Dogs. Kessler gives us insight into her childhood which included a house full of animals in Port Washington, New York. She discusses how she was able to hear and understand what animals were saying. She explains her energy interpretation or communication as a force outside the physical realm. Throughout the interview, we see how Kessel continued to discover more ways of connection with animals.
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Welcome to today’s show. This is Jason Hartman your host. And as you may or may not know, every 10th show, we kind of do a special tradition here that originated with my creating wealth show where we do a topic that is actually off topic on purpose, something just to do with general life and more successful living. And that’s exactly what we’re going to do today with our special guest. Again, 10th show is off topic and it is very much intentional, just for personal enrichment. And I hope you enjoy today’s show, and we will be back with our guest in just a moment. It’s my pleasure to welcome Jocelyn Kessler to the show. She is an expert on the animal human connection. Or maybe I should say the human animal connection, and we’re gonna talk about some interesting stuff with her. So Jocelyn, welcome. How are you?
Jocelyn Kessler 1:56
I’m well, thank you. How are you? Good. Thanks. Good. And you’re
Jason Hartman 1:59
coming to us from Los Angeles where I grew up my hometown.
Jocelyn Kessler 2:02
Oh, wow. You grew up here. I rarely hear that.
Jocelyn Kessler 2:07
But I am I am. I’m coming from Los Angeles, balmy day.
Jason Hartman 2:11
There you go. Well, tell us now you’ve got Do you have one book on the subject of the secret language of dogs is quite a famous book, actually. Or do you have other books as well?
Jocelyn Kessler 2:21
No, this was my first book, actually. And a book that kind of just took its own journey. I had no idea where it was going to go. But this is absolutely my first book. And I am certainly jotting down some ideas for a second. So I’m trying to move in a second for sure.
Jason Hartman 2:41
Yeah, well, just looking at some of the chapter titles. I mean, I’ve heard of this book many times. I have not read it. But you know, I’ve definitely heard a lot about it. And you talk about like in chapter one, I wish my dog could speak well, so do I. But I don’t know that the blue might fall off the rows, if it’s not good. So sure, that would be a good idea. And I gotta tell you, well, my mom used to always say that she wished her dog could speak. So I remember when some Japanese company came out with a device that interprets dog barks and so forth and turns them into human language. I guess that would never caught on. But I remember buying years ago, tell us a little bit about what you do.
Jocelyn Kessler 3:22
What I do is somewhat to fall, I mean, it started off that I was basically on a very basic level, I am able to interpret dog’s energy. And that is I can hear, I can hear them through their energy, what they need, what they want, what may be ails them. And then on a much broader level, what do they need to connect to the human being that is their companion, so that their journey is led out correctly, as well as the human being. And because I can hear that, as time went on, I was able to cultivate a method that I was, could connect the dog’s energy to the human beings. So then I can see the neuroses in the animal, and then right into the human being. And because the human being, it has a broader base on how to deal with that. I go through what we need to do with them. And then in turn, I speak to the animal, the dog, and in particular, dogs are very simple. They speak simply, they don’t put emotion around what they’re trying to speak to you. They don’t put that around there. It’s very I need this because I don’t feel well because of this or, you know, I’m harboring something in heart center, or my human companion is crying all the time and in turn, that leads me to do this. There’s not a lot of static around. So then the dog is in the moment with what they need. Which then once I go to the human companion, we as humans have a hard time staying in the moment. And that’s the beauty of this work is the dog represents that energy. So the human being can take hold of what they’ve been bearing for so long and has finally really come to a head and they cannot move forward not only with their dog, but in life on so many levels, then I need to teach them through the dog’s energy to come back to the moment, take ownership of it and clear it. If the human being can do that, then the dog is the perfect counselor to keep you in that moment. Because as soon as you go back to the neuroses, that was plaguing both of you to begin with, and the energy that surrounds you, the dog will go off track immediately, the dog becomes your mirror image. That means you have to release and get back to the moment.
Jason Hartman 5:55
Okay, okay. So I mean, why do people come to you then? Do they come to you because they have a problem? Or because for you, I mean, just massively simplify it or for dog training, saying that their dog has a problem? Well, I, you know, I’m sort of having trouble connecting the dots here.
Jocelyn Kessler 6:12
They come to me, because the dog, you know, it’s usually that they’re finding that there’s a constant issue in the household, the dog has a problem. But and it’s mostly a complaint on the dog. But in as we’ve moved along, I’ve been trying to be so educating that I’m not just working with the dog, I’m also working with the human being. And that’s been a little difficult to somewhat get across. But if anyone comes to me, it’s always with a complaint of the dog. In the beginning, now I’m getting more Listen, dog is doing this. But I’m in a funky place in my life. And I believe for the first time in a long time, I’m really affecting my dog. And if he or she already had an existing issue, I’m amplifying it. How do I change this? So it is originally the dog and now I’m getting what do I do with all of us?
Jason Hartman 7:07
I mean, the reviews on Amazon are very interesting. What is your background? I mean, what did you do before? What What is your background that led you up to writing this book?
Jocelyn Kessler 7:18
Well, it’s funny, my background is in mixed bag. I think that so often people are seeming to think that this is something that I’ve been, you know, out and about doing from from get, you know, from birth, and that’s not the case, I’ve had a really hard time understanding within myself to have this because it’s not, you know, I had to come into my own to say, why am I listening? Or why can I hear these animals? What do I do with that for a while, I was not just hearing dogs, I was hearing everything. And I didn’t understand it. And a lot of people around me didn’t understand it. And I was very isolated with it. And for a very long time, since I probably from age 14 on I would be called to side jobs, I would say my side jobs to various people who had problems with your dogs, and can you hear what they say, and I wasn’t cultivating what I’m doing. Now, I would just tell them what I heard and what I think that means to what was going on. And I get paid 15 bucks, and I go in and do that. And as I grew up, I didn’t really want to do it anymore for a little while it really bought, you know, I didn’t know what to do with it. So I stopped it. And then I was creative. And then I went back to it again. And that then I started to pick up studies on how to work with the land. And I use some chemonics you know, ritual with this. And I went and study with many individuals on how to heal, and how to move this energy and what this all means and what are my higher powers who are my guides. Why was I given this gift and not to fear it, I was in tremendous fear for a while on that. Once I really took the time to understand it and value it. Then a part time job became full time. And I started to really work with it. And two years ago, I had many of my clients when I was in New York, say to me actually about three years now, you need to write this because this is different. And you need to talk about it. And I just thought I would write a book that I didn’t even know could become a book I just started to write quite frankly, sent it out blindly to a few publishers open submission, no real referrals. And one came back to me and said let’s do this. And it’s an interesting process. But my background I mean, it started since I was a baby. I was brought up with great parents. Most of my conversations were with the dogs, more so than human beings. And that When I started hearing
Jason Hartman 10:00
Yeah, that’s an interesting point. I mean, one of the things you say is that, well, our dogs don’t speak English, they are communicating with us all the time. And just recently, I saw an article about how dogs are the only animals that take eye cues, cues from eye contact. In other words, you know, when you’re looking your dog in the eye, and they look back to you, humans and dogs really do communicate that way. And certainly people two people can communicate by looking each other in the eye without even speaking. It’s just amazing the number of the amount of nuance and in in the eyes, and the part around the eyes. What are they doing? What are they communicating with us? Give us some examples.
Jocelyn Kessler 10:43
Wow, it varies. I mean, it’s, you know, I think it’s never just one of the same. They can can communicate many things I can just use a prime example is my dog, Emma, this morning, I had to rush her on a walk because I had to run to something and she didn’t get her usual long walk. Now I speak to him all the time we work together. And I came home, dropped leash off, fed her and looked at her and said, Listen, I apologize. Today, I know you didn’t get what you normally get. And this evening, when I get home, I will fulfill that for you. And she sat down and looked at me and said you should have done it now. Now, that’s the energy to break down. You should have done it. You shouldn’t you just should have done it now. That’s how simple it is. Now it’s not well, you know, if we would have done $1, if you could have done your time, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was very scattered this morning. I could have used my time wisely. It affected just about everything out from the morning on. And she was right. And she looked me right in the eye. She winked on my right side, which are the music a lot of masculine energy today. And she said you should have done it now. So when people say How simple is it, it hits home because I took that energy. And she sent it to me through her eyes, and through energy. And then she went kind of moved her her right here at the same time. So she really put forth a lot off the right side of her, which is the strong side and looked at me and said you should have done it. And she’s right. I could have done it. And I should have done it. So my point is, is that most of the time, they’re picking up on a sub energy that we have already. What held us back from not being able to do the things we should have done. And she called me out on it. And she was right.
Jason Hartman 12:43
up some more examples.
Jocelyn Kessler 12:45
It could be here I just worked on actually a lab not too long ago, yellow lab, who just had ligament surgery in his rear leg. And they couldn’t get the inflammation down. And he was on various forms of medication. And his human companion said, I don’t know I don’t think he’s in pain. You know, he’s walking into slow go, but I don’t think he’s he’s Is he in pain. And at that time, he looked up at me and he said, I’m in more pain in my right leg, which is was his good leg. Because he’s putting more pressure there, then in the left at the moment, and the left would have the surgery. And he kind of moved his body on the right side. And it was hard to him and kicked out his right foot from under his left. So he’s laying down and he kicks it out. And it’s human companionship, what is he doing? And I said his keys off balance because he’s putting too much on the right the dog kept looking down at his right and the dog, because you can tell that the human being who I was speaking to, didn’t understand it was that time the dog was connecting the energy. And he said, Does he have arthritis in that leg as well? And I said yes. So my point is here, that once the human being to connect to the energy and really got aware, he already knew that. So we’re listening and hearing much more. So I was the catalyst for the dog to show and then we connected the energy and he said, we have a problem in the right leg too. And I said yes, we have a problem there. Right? He had no idea. So like, that’s another example.
Jason Hartman 14:31
And when you say you work with a dog, or you say you you mentioned that you worked on a lab. What do you do? What does that look like? You know, describe it for our listeners.
Jocelyn Kessler 14:40
It varies. I mean this was something of trauma. So this was surgery, everyone very so I actually was hands on which means I was sending energy toward healing through the animal and various spots. I was in his shake girl. I was also in his hind Went through his heart center. So in these cases, when I say work on if it’s in the sense of trauma, or surgery, or recovery, I’ll get called in, to actually do hands on healing for the animal towards that, and I’ll put, I will send energy and work with them a one on one that has nothing to do with the human being for the first half of the session, which all has to do with getting the and the dog back into balance and toward healing. And what that animal needs to do that. That’s a hands on approach. And I caught a lot of animal spirits in at that time, and I get quiet, and I move around some energy. When I incorporate the human being, then because they’re usually saying to me, what does the animal need to heal, I can then bring them into the process. That’s one aspect. If it’s just to correct something, and Anane in a dog, such as a lot of biting or perhaps climbing on the door, then I’m not so much hands on, then I’m all in energy, which means that we sit down on the floor all together. And I go and bring in my guides and get quiet and start speaking to the dog on a very simple level to see where is just disruption and energy in the household and the connection to their human companion. And I don’t do hands on work, I’m just reading the animal for you. And then I bring you in on how this all works. So it’s very good.
Jason Hartman 16:41
What else would you like people to know about this work?
Jocelyn Kessler 16:43
Well, I’ll tell you one thing I’d like to know, because this is a this is very new and very different. And for so long, a very long time, we have known a dog trainer or a dog psychic. And we have known to go and say just what our dog needs. Or how can we train our animals, so we can all live together and they’re focusing on the dog. And we’ve known that for a long time. And then the human beings are taking care of separately, I’m trying to erase the line a little bit, I’m trying to say we are very much connected to our dogs, and what we hold energetically and what we store that’s toxic, or what really holds us back. That is fear based, that energy is transferred to your dog, for sure. And that a lot of the issues that the dog has already come to you with it’s just their own journey, whether you rescue them or not. If they’re coming to you for a reason, it’s not random, you’re both supposed to learn from each other, the dogs learn from you, and you learn from the dog, and that it’s a destined moment. And if that’s the case, and it’s not just about one or the other. It’s about both of you, or all of you, and where you live, and how you live and how you connect to all that is around you. It’s a hard message. But I think it’s a necessity in this day and age. We need to broaden that scope we need we need to know that that we are affecting our dogs that way. And it’s a it’s a hard message to to get across any other tips that you wanted to share as to what we can do to live better and help our animals live better? Well, I would say that, you know, the one tip that I would be giving them most people will say, How can I start this to even know how they’re speaking Can I hear them too, and you can absolutely hear them and you are hearing them. But we let a lot of static and a lot of our own things and a lot of outside energy, corrupt the message or kind of break it up. So then we’re not trusting what we hear. And then we’re off of intuition. We’re not in instinct mode. Animals speak to us that way. So I would say that we are probably getting more than than most things and to sit quietly for four to five minutes. And that’s not a lot of time, quietly with your dogs. And start Put your hand on the dog’s heart, on on their head. And, and connect and quietly start breathing and really seen that breath flowing through you and your dog as light and connective energy. And once you are quiet in that and long breath and your dog is quiet. All of a sudden, you can start picking up more than you possibly think but we have to get quiet with it and we can’t look for what we think we need. And once we’re in that we set our intention. I want to remove blocks from my heart center. I want to be able to connect with you On a broader range, I want to really know what you need. That simple. That’s how a dog hears, what’s the intention is set. And your mind is only focusing quietly on that breath that’s circulating between the two of you. If you can do that often, once a day, twice a day, not only that is it helps your intuition and you stay in in the moment, you’ll be able to hear and understand much more that your dog is trying to translate to you. Whether it’s through the eyes, through voice through energy, or just the little messages that they try to give you. They will become clear, we have that capacity. And I think that’s important for people to know that
Jason Hartman 20:47
Good. Jocelyn, give out your website.
Jocelyn Kessler 20:49
The website is Jocelyn kessler.com. You can also get us at Facebook at jostle Kessler LLC. And the book is the secret language of dogs, which is on Amazon and also on Hampton Roads. My publishers website.
Jason Hartman 21:05
Fantastic. Well, Jocelyn Kessler, thank you for joining us today.
Jocelyn Kessler 21:08
Thank you so much. It was a lot of fun. I appreciate it.
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