On this Flashback Friday episode, Jason Hartman starts with historical studies of countries, governments, economics, populations, cultures, and offer more numerous insights into how the world reached its current state. He gives details on the Conspiratorial View of History. To discuss these ideas, Jason Hartman hosts historian, author, and lecturer Ralph Epperson about Ralph’s book, Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History. Ralph explains some conspiracies behind wars and revolutions across the globe, the depressions, and recessions, and he discusses the creation of the Federal Reserve and the foundation of the I.R.S.
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Jason Hartman 3:06
It’s my pleasure to welcome Ralph Epperson to the show. He is the author of unseen hand in introduction to the conspiratorial view of history. And let’s discuss the recession of 2008 to 2013. And continuing in my opinion, and some other parts as it relates to history. Ralph, welcome. How are you?
Ralph Epperson 3:24
Oh, fine. Jason, thank you very much for inviting me. It’s my pleasure.
Jason Hartman 3:27
Well, good, interesting stuff that you cover in the book and And generally, so it’s a pleasure to have you on the show. You’re coming to us today from Tucson, Arizona, not far from me. And tell us a little bit about the book unseen hand if you would. I wrote
Ralph Epperson 3:39
it in 1985. After teaching part time at a community college, I didn’t have a textbook for for my class, and my students insisted that I put my thoughts in writing because they were so unique. They were very appreciative what I what I had said, and the way I presented to Troy decided to write the book in 1985, which still being published In fact, is being published in six foreign nations, including Communist China.
Jason Hartman 4:06
Well, one could definitely argue that China in many ways is hardly communist anymore. But in some ways, it still is very much that way, especially with the thought police and their blocking of certain websites. Let’s go through some of the some of the major conspiratorial events in history. Can we take them chronologically, Ralph?
Ralph Epperson 4:26
Well, yeah, we quick way to do it from the nccih hand was just to review the American Revolution to war between 12 and the Civil War, because they’re all connected.
Jason Hartman 4:34
Yeah. And then let’s move up to Pearl Harbor. And maybe before that, you want to cover the founding of the IRS on the Federal Reserve. But yeah, let’s start in the 1800s.
Ralph Epperson 4:44
All of the those three wars were were had one central issue, and that was the desire of the European bankers to force the United States into a central bank. We didn’t have one. So after the American Revolution, we created the first bank is The United States that lapsed in 1812. It was refused to be renewed in 1812 for 20 year charter. So guess what happened? We had the war of 1812. between England and the United States that that was over in 1816. They created a second Bank of the United States to run until 1830 to 1836, rather, of course, Andrew Jackson ran for re election on a platform, Jackson and no bank or bank and no Jackson. And he won overwhelmingly, because you bring people didn’t want a central bank, so we didn’t have a second or second central bank in perpetuity. So they the European bankers planned the civil war in 1837, shortly after the 1836 ending objections eight years in office, so they plan to war with a thing called the Knights the Golden Circle, the Knights the Golden Circle, came to America spread secession, and got Americans to fight Americans over the issue of slavery. But that was not the issue. The reason we had the war was because of a central bank, Lincoln ifox. The bankers issued his own money called the greenback. And of course the Knights to go in circle took him out, they fascinate him. JOHN Wilkes Booth was a member and he killed him. And then they cover it up. JOHN Wilkes Booth lived to be 65 have died in 1903. As another story, which probably by itself is about a 15 minute story. Way, that’s basically what happened. We finally got our central bank in 1913. When they created the Federal Reserve at the insistence of Woodrow Wilson in the Senate. They created it’s really a Private Reserve. It’s not federal in any sense, the way it’s owned by individuals. We now know at least a little about who owns it, we’ll never find out. I would say because every time they try to audit it, to find out who owns it, the voting is negative, they won’t they won’t allow the government to interfere with the so called Independent Federal Reserve
Jason Hartman 7:02
Yeah, it’s it’s it’s of course ridiculous. Thank God for ron paul at least getting the word out and, and so many people know so many more people nowadays are are much more aware of the scam known as the central bank or the Federal Reserve. But most countries have central banks and they’re operating under similar scams. But but just before before we jump on to that, you said what was the group that caused the civil war that got Americans to fight Americans
Ralph Epperson 7:28
was called the Knights of the Golden Circle.
Jason Hartman 7:31
And how did they do that specifically?
Ralph Epperson 7:34
Well, they weren’t the European bankers man. In 1836, after the Central Bank of the United States was allowed to lapse, because of Andrew Jackson, you bring people refuse to create one, and they decided to have a second, actually a third war actually a fourth war. Yo, I’m sorry, forgive me the third war, breaking revolution or baking troubles in the Civil War. And the Civil War was intended to create force Lincoln into the creation of a central bank to pay for the cost. of the war. And Lincoln said no, I’m going to issue the greenback dollar which was not borrowed from the Knights that Golden Circle assassinated Abraham Lincoln. He was murdered by john Wilkes Booth. William Stanton, the Secretary of War made sure that stat that booth escaped. He lived to be 65 years of age and was poisoned in 1903. In Enid, Oklahoma, the Knights to go circle deja they supported to create a second civil war with a continuation of the black versus white riots. They created a group called the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, there was created by the Knights to go circle in 1867 to force the south into a second war against the United States that never came about, fortunately for the American people.
Jason Hartman 8:43
And let’s, let’s move on to the next one. When we talk about things that are so far past, I think some people have trouble seeing the relevance to their life today, but one that we can certainly move to, as you alluded to, is the founding of the Federal Reserve and right after that, the founding of the Internal Revenue Service in the early 1900s.
Ralph Epperson 9:03
If you read Karl Marx the, in this book titled The Communist Manifesto, he says there’s a 10 plank program to commune eyes and industrialized society, two of which were a central bank and a graduated income tax. And we got both of those measures. In 1913. With our first true Marxist professor, President Woodrow Wilson, he created the central bank called the Federal Reserve and gave us a graduated income tax. And the way they work together is as you as the bank increases inflation, your wages go up, and as your wages go up, you go into a higher tax bracket. So if the inflation goes up, let’s say the cost of living goes up 2%. You get a 2% raise in your income, but then you pay 1% more on your income tax, so you end up losing 1% that’s what this is all about. Marx knew those two would go together and Woodrow Wilson made sure we got them at the same time.
Jason Hartman 9:59
Yeah, that’s That’s quite amazing, because the interesting thing about it is that it fools most people at the same time. You know, most people think that they’re getting ahead, and maybe they do just for a short period of time, but then inflation kicks in, you know, and it’s just this vicious vicious cycle. But didn’t Wilson say on his deathbed or close to it, but he regretted the Federal Reserve?
Ralph Epperson 10:22
Yes, that’s true. I don’t know why he would do that, because he certainly knew what he was doing because he was a Marxist, you can prove that it’s all documented in my book, The Unseen hand, I show you how I can say unequivocally that he was a Marxist communist. So if he knew what the two of them how the two have worked together, and apparently later on, he did decide just before he died, reportedly that that he had made a big, big mistake in creating the Federal Reserve.
Jason Hartman 10:48
So what comes next? Do you want to jump to the Great Depression, or Pearl Harbor or a combination of the two?
Ralph Epperson 10:55
Let’s continue with our with the Federal Reserve Reserve was created in 1913. We have Our first economic depression in 1920. America didn’t have any depressions like that until we got to Federal Reserve. The depression listen to this, the depression of 1920 raised the unemployment rate to 12%. The gross national product went down 17%. Warren G. Harding was elected in 1920. And within one year, within one year, the Depression was over one year to solve a depression. Warren G. Harding. He cut government spending, he cut the national debt. He lowered cut taxes dramatically. And guess what, within one year, unemployment was down to about 6%. And at the end of the second year, it was down to 2.4%. Now, Barack Obama has been in office for four years, he’s had a recession with 8% unemployment, and he can’t solve it. Why? Why? Why can he solve a recession? For years, and recession is less as not as bad as the depression. But he should follow the example of Warren Harding, who solved a depression in one year.
Jason Hartman 12:11
And what is that example?
Ralph Epperson 12:12
The example is he cut spending, he gave the American people their money back. They cut taxes dramatically at all levels, which stimulate the economy, which created jobs. The answer to create jobs, as even the many Republicans are saying is to get the enterprise free enterprise system. Great jobs are not the government warns you already did not borrow money from the Private Reserve, even though he could and unfortunately for some reason, Warren G. Harding died, I guess even in his first term. I wonder if there’s a connection between his death and that of Abraham Lincoln? I don’t know.
Jason Hartman 12:45
Yeah, right. It’s an interesting question. No doubt. So one of the promises that the Federal Reserve made, you know, I’m not saying they made it specifically but the the site guys of the time, was saying that well, you know, we need another central bank. I think I believe that was our third central bank in American history. We’re still saddled with its, you know, its manipulations. And you know, one of the promises of it was that it would, it would it would end the cycle, the cycle of bubble creation, and collapse and then another bubble and then another collapse. yet. We have had that like clockwork since the founding of the Federal Reserve back in 1913.
Ralph Epperson 13:25
That’s correct. And we got the crash or 1929. But Franklin Roosevelt made sure that he didn’t follow like brock obama. He didn’t follow the example of Warren G. Harding. He did everything he could to socialize or even commune eyes, United States. It took him 10 years to get out of the depression in 1920. And of course, the interesting about it is that in 1928, the very wealthy got out of the market, almost as if they knew what was going to happen in October of 1929. And in my book, I show you how they did that. How they created the crash of 1929 done By the Private Reserve, by the way very clearly, the Federal Reserve is not federally owners primary owner, there’s one quick way you can confirm this is just go to a go find the phone book for one of the 12 or 12 different branch offices of the Federal Reserve, and find them in the blue pages where the government listings are under the F for federal, you’ll find the Department of the Army and Department of Defense and the H GW and Social Security, income tax appeals. But the Federal Reserve is not listed. So the way to find them is in the white pages, because the white pages list privately owned businesses like the Federal Reserve and Federal Express. Express is not federally owned, but it’s listed in the F just like the Federal Reserve is therefore you could tell it’s privately Oh,
Jason Hartman 14:45
sure, sure. And and I don’t think anybody doubts that nowadays. People understand that the Federal Reserve is about as federal as Federal Express. So I don’t think you’ll get any any debate there. But it’s interesting that you mentioned a phone book does anybody have or use a phone book anymore? I’m surprised They still print those things. But that is one way to look without being mixed up on the internet for sure. It’s pretty clear cut, obviously.
Ralph Epperson 15:07
Well, good.
Jason Hartman 15:08
Let’s keep moving on here in history and come up to current day a little bit. What do you want to cover? Next? You want to talk about Pearl Harbor?
Ralph Epperson 15:15
Well, Pearl Harbor Raceway. Once you get into a federal, Federal Bank, federal central bank, like the Federal Reserve, you want to create wars because wars are very expensive, and you can loan money, the government and interest by the way, that’s an interesting comment right there. Why is it that our politicians do not talk about the interest on the national debt? The national debt is what $16 trillion. And I’ll dare say we’re gonna pay that back, plus enormous interest for maybe 10 or 20 years, which is why the people who are objecting to it, including myself, will point out that we will pay interest which means our children’s in our grant, our children and our grand children will pay the interest on the national debt, plus, pay that out Debt back. And the Federal Reserve has created the money out of nothing. So they’re making huge enormous profits on stuff they can create out of nothing. You and I can’t create some money out of nothing. If we do it’s called counterfeiting. And when we do we go to jail. The Federal Reserve creates money out of nothing. It’s not called counterfeiting. It’s called funding the debt is any interesting.
Jason Hartman 16:22
Yeah, I don’t think there will be peace on earth until war becomes far less profitable, especially to central banks. I mean, they talk about the military industrial complex, and that’s a very lucrative industry obviously, Ralph, but but the central banking industry financing both sides of the same more is incredibly profitable. So yeah, no question about that and especially when you can create money out of thin air I mean, you can’t create tanks, planes, bombs, and other war equipment out of thin air but but the money to finance wars is created completely out of thin air. I mean,
Ralph Epperson 16:58
if I may read it One sentence quote from Thomas Jefferson, I think he’s our third president. In one sense, it is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts, as it goes, a principle, which, if acted upon, would save one half of the Wars of the world and quote, what was he trying to tell us? So here’s the thing. If you want to create a wall you need, you can finance both sides and double your profit. That’s what he’s saying. So it’d be who’s the federal the central banks of the world to create wars, and then they can loan money to both nations or even in World Wars, like we’ve had the last two or three, they can loan many nations money. It’s an incredible process, just like Mark said, it’s the way to cognize an industrialized society.
Jason Hartman 17:51
It sure is, but it’s taking them an awfully long time to try and do this. We’re certainly moving in that direction. But on the on the positive side, there still lots of bastions of freedom left, we’ve had 100 years of the Federal Reserve we’ve had, what 98 years of the IRS. And it’s hard argue that life isn’t better in least materially than it was 10 years ago or 100 years ago or anytime in between your thoughts on it.
Ralph Epperson 18:20
Let’s now get into the recession of 2008 and 2013. Because it’s also created by the Federal Reserve. Isn’t that interesting? Now let’s talk about that rocket survey inherited a mess. But let me tell you where the message came from. But I want to document this picture a lot of the internet and get an article written September the 30th 1999. In the New York Times, it was written by Stephen A Holmes. And whenever the Federal Reserve whenever sorry, whenever the New York Times speaks, it’s speaking almost officially for the government. So they were telling us something by this article, because what he pointed out was that we’ll start over First step, no bank, no banker would loan money to someone who can’t pay them back. It doesn’t make sense. The banker knows he’s not loaning out his money. He’s loaning out the money of the depositors. So if he makes bad loans, a number of them, that he positives will pull their money out, and then the bank will go bankrupt. So he knows to keep his job. He can only loan to people who can pay back, but something changed. Let’s talk about how that changed. No banker. I’ll just make the statement. No banker would make loans to people who can’t pay it back. Oh, yes, you can listen to this. This article. I’m going to condense it because I because the time constraints I would normally read it’s about four sentences long. But what it says is that the Fannie Mae, which underwrites these loans of the banks, was encouraged by the Clinton administration in 1999 can make loans that were We’re not solvent, they had no way to pay them back. Wait a minute. Now, if if, if a man wants, wants to walk into a banker, here’s a nice here in Tucson and said, We want you to start making loans that we won’t you’ll get paid back. The bank would say You’re crazy. I can’t do that. So yes, you can. Fannie Mae will bail you out. In fact, even in the article, they quote some experts. He says if this thing fails, making these bad loans, they will have to the government will have to bail them out. Isn’t that interesting? So here’s what happened. The bank started making these loans. That course they didn’t get paid back. So they sold those mortgages to the Fannie Mae. So Fannie Mae is a profit maker. It says, Listen, we got to make money as well. We can’t make bad loans. So would you bail us out as well. So Fannie Mae got bailed out by Congress. Congress says we will bail you out, because it was a good program. We wish you’d have a house with a white picket fence. So then the Congress says, Well, wait a minute, we got a big get bailed out because we have to borrow the money, get it someplace to make these loans back to the, you know, paint bailout the Fannie Mae in the bank. So they said we’ll borrow the money from the federal reserve. Well, the Federal Reserve says, Wait a minute, we can make use of those, but we got to get paid back as well. So we need to be bailed out. And who’s going to bail us out? Well, guess who? The taxpayers who’s going to bail out the taxpayers? Nobody? Do you see what just happened? The whole thing is by design, it’s by design. Notice you just mentioned we’re a little bit better now. It is not talked about the eight or 10 or 20% unemployment.
Jason Hartman 21:42
I think the real unemployment rate is about 23%. Now, and you know the underemployment is just shocking. I mean, it is shocking. I mean, this happens somewhat frequently. I was making a point of talking to taxi and limo drivers. And I had a limo pick me up at the airport. When when I lived in Southern California, and this was just two years ago, I remember I came back from a trip, I had a limo pick me up, and I was talking to the driver. And I said, Well, you know, do you do this full time? I always try to hear what’s up with them, because they tend to know a lot. They talked a lot of people. And he said, Yes, I do. And I said, What do you do before he was an older gentleman, he said, while I was an industrial engineer, and there are just no jobs for me, unless I want to move to Mexico. And I thought, isn’t that just fitting how here we’ve got a highly capable, educated person with probably in the day I don’t know when he did his college work had quite a bit of student loan debt that, by the way, cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. That’s another conspiracy in my eyes to create millions and millions of indentured servants and debt slaves. The college tuition costs have soared at two to three times the rate of reported inflation. What a scam that is talking about a way to impoverish. 10s of millions of people. It’s ridiculous, but he’s totally underemployed. Here he is. He’s an industrial engineer, and he should be doing something that creates value in his line of work yet he’s driving a limo.
Ralph Epperson 23:07
Jason I want you to understand this is happening by design. Oh, sure. And understand this. It’s intended to destroy the middle class. Because when when the industrial engineer can’t do it England driver taxicab, his he’s, he’s got debts that he’s got and those are going to be written off. That means that the grocery store is not going to sell as many foods to him. The ice cream store they used to get some business from him or get it. They’re not going to buy milk from the dairy man, the dirty man’s you’re not going to buy grass or grain wherever it is from the farmer. The farmer is not going to buy gasoline. You see what I’m saying? it magnifies all the way through the years. This is happening by design.
Jason Hartman 23:47
Okay, so here calm down for a second here is the question though. The question is why I mean, this is the hollowing out of America theory make America weaker? Why what what is the real reasoning for this, why would the powers that be want to do this? The answer
Ralph Epperson 24:03
is very clear. It’s brick. It’s been covered by me in a book, and an eight hour DVD. And now even in a four hour DVD, it’s by design. We’re going into this thing called a new world order. It’s on the back of your dollar bill. It was it was created by the United States Congress will actually the founding fathers when they wrote the Constitution, and they created the Great Seal of the United States on the backside, it says annual chapters. No more Soto cichorium announcing the birth of the New World Order, the reporter is not going to have a middle class.
Ralph Epperson 24:37
Okay, but why? What is the point of that? I
Jason Hartman 24:40
mean, I’ve you know, I’ve heard about that. I’ve read about it. I’ve done shows about it. What is the reason though? What is the benefit to the Rothschild family and the people who really run the world? the Bilderberg Group, maybe, you know, and I’d love to get your take on that as well. But what is the benefit?
Ralph Epperson 24:55
The answers in an eight hour DVD? Oh, I can’t watch an eight hour DVD. You can Watch Super Bowl for six hours you and your listeners to do themselves and this nation a favor commit to watching conspiracy against Christianity an eight hour DVD that I have on the internet right now you can watch it for free. Make copies, give them away sell them. I don’t care what you do with it. Watch it,
Jason Hartman 25:20
you use it. You just want to get the word out Ralph. Where can people find that by the way?
Ralph Epperson 25:24
on the internet, go to YouTube.
Jason Hartman 25:26
Okay, so just on YouTube and type in conspiracy against Christianity.
Ralph Epperson 25:30
It might be on my website and if it is I’ll give you the website. I’m not sure I’ve got about 15 DVDs on the internet I don’t know which is which like they I don’t put them up there others do it for me. But it’s called conspiracy against Christianity. Go to my webs website, www dot and then Ralph r a l. p is in Petunia. Ah. Ralph. Dash. Epperson he is an Edward p. p as in Peter. Er. S o n. Calm Ralph dash Epperson calm Find a conspiracy against Christianity. And by the way, please put away all of your previous thoughts, because I’m going to blow your mind with some evidence. I’m going to explain what this new world order is and why they want it. Why did our founding fathers want a new world order? It’s mind boggling. And but it’s happening in front of our very eyes. But the American people don’t know why it’s happening. Don’t want to hear it, because it’s very depressing, and very scary. So if you want to know, conspiracy against Christianity, it’s on
Jason Hartman 26:35
and by the way it is on YouTube, I found that it’s in four parts. Part one is about two hours and 11 minutes and then there are three other parts as well. So thanks for telling us about that, Ralph. So, basically, the result of the New World Order in your eyes is that will will have a banana republic type society globally, rather than just in developing or that might be you the wrong word to use actually third world countries where we have the rich elites, and we have the poor and the middle class is essentially gone. And certainly it would be impossible for any rational person to argue that the middle class is not under attack in America and is not disappearing in mass.
Ralph Epperson 27:20
Jason, if I may, please understand. That’s why this DVD is eight hours long. I’ve got to lay down a lot of foundation work to go back even to the founding of this nation. Why did the founding fathers want the New World Order? What did they mean by Listen to me very clearly, our founding fathers gave Congress total Unlimited, despotic tyrannical power in the Constitution. Everything this government is doing is constitutional. They were granted the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever, which means total restricted power. That’s all covered in my four hour DVD called America’s secret destiny. You might want to watch that one first. That’s four hours long on the internet. Watch that and then watch the eight hour DVD. That’s 12 hours, Rob, I can’t Okay, that’s it. If you if you want to know what’s happening in America, you need to watch those two DVDs in that sequence. Yeah,
Jason Hartman 28:21
yeah. And and then they’re not even DVDs. They’re just videos on YouTube. Okay. So, Ralph, that that will be the result of this. Now, what surprises me is that you say that that most most people argue that the the current elite is not following the Constitution, that the Constitution has been completely trampled on and bastardized. However you you’re saying that our founding fathers were really in on this way back 234 years ago.
Ralph Epperson 28:52
Yes. And the evidence of that is in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and its predecessor. An act of the Parliament in 1766 called the declaratory act, declaratory act, look it up on the internet. It’s not very long. You can print it out on one sheet of paper, print it out, read it, then read the declaration, and then the Constitution. And you will see that our founding fathers gave Congress total, unlimited power. It’s unrestricted. There is no bill of rights under this grant of power. And our founding fathers in the declaration admitted that, but they gave it to Congress. Anyway. You understand? Our founding fathers betrayed us. They committed this nation to a secret destiny. And you mentioned it was going slow. They have a deadline. They knew it was going to take several hundred years to deliver the New World Order. I know this is strange. Wait a minute, Ralph. What are you saying? I’m saying? Yes, it’s based on evidence. If I may say one thing, Jason at this point, I’m an honorary citizen of Missouri. They don’t have such an honor, I’m sure but I declared myself to be an honorary citizen. Why? Because Missouri’s called the show me state is what I do. Someone’s got a new theory. Listen, Ralph, there’s something going on. And I’ve called the XYZ problem. I say, Show me the evidence. If he has no evidence, I don’t have time. So you ask, you should ask me to show you the evidence that I write. And when I do that by documentation, and leading you through it step by step, you’re going to have to see, finally, what’s happening is by design of our founding fathers, oh, I don’t believe that ruff. That’s the problem. I’m going to ask you to be on a jury. And when you’re on a jury, you’ve got to hear both sides and be open and examine the evidence. Show me Show me he’s guilty. Show me he’s innocent, ever since show me what you’re saying. And I will do so. Of course,
Jason Hartman 30:54
people can watch the videos on YouTube. I’ll look forward to doing that. But give out your website. If you would.
Ralph Epperson 31:00
Got Ralph are a LPZ Petunia Ah, Ralph. And then dash. Epperson he is an Edward p. p as in Peter. Er, s o n.com. Ralph dash at present calm, go there and browse. It’s a rather long but I think it’s very simple raise you to follow, everything’s described you can see what I’ve written and produced in 50 years of research.
Jason Hartman 31:25
Okay. Ralph Epperson, author of the unseen hand an introduction to the conspiratorial view of history book is available too. And thanks so much for joining us today. My pleasure.
Ralph Epperson 31:34
Thank you for inviting
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