Jason Hartman interviews Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch. He’s also a U.S. Justice Department prosecutor and author of several books. He shares how he founded Judicial Watch and discusses a possible revolution that we may be facing. Jason and Larry also tackle questionable practices in DC and throughout the US and some tyranny in legislative branches.
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It is my pleasure to welcome Larry Klayman to the show. He is the founder of Judicial Watch in freedom watch, and a former US Justice Department prosecutor, best-selling author of horrors, why and how I came to fight the establishment and the new book. It takes a revolution. Forget about the scandal industry. Larry, welcome. How are you?
Larry Klayman 1:21
Thank you, Jason. It’s my pleasure.
Jason Hartman 1:23
It’s good to have you. Good to have you. And I was happy to find out that we are neighbors. We’re both nearby each other in Florida. So th t’s fantastic. First off, maybe before we start, how did you get involved? You know how old, I know you’re not with Judicial Watch anymore. Freedom watch is your focus? How long ago did you found Judicial Watch? And how did that come about?
Larry Klayman 1:44
I founded Judicial Watch on July 29 1994, and it was the result I talked about it in my book, Whores why and how they came to fight establishment, which you can still buy on amazon.com. and elsewhere. I came out in 2009. Because I seen that the legal profession had grown very corrupt. And I judges that I appeared in front of when making decisions not on the merits. But who you were, politics. And that’s where the name Judicial Watch came from. And then we decided to use the judges to try to watch the other two branches of government and to enforce the rule of law. When I ran Judicial Watch, we did more than what you just watched generally does today, because I’m a trial lawyer now. 43 years. In fact, last week, on December 7, Pearl Harbor day, that was the day I was inducted into the Florida Bar. And we brought hard hitting cases. And when I left to run for the Senate in Florida, and I didn’t win in 2003, I filmed Freedom Watch. The Freedom Watch does a lot today of what I used to do at Judicial Watch. And this book that I wrote, takes a revolution, forget the scandal industries to take off on hillary clinton’s, it takes a village for saying, We don’t want a socialist collective. In our government, we want village people to wage a new revolution is that I’ve seen that it’s gone, it’s gone much more corrupt even since 1994. You know, 26 years ago,
Jason Hartman 3:08
I couldn’t agree more.
Larry Klayman 3:10
And our country is hanging by a thread. And this book was inside me and I wrote it. I wrote it at the beginning of the covid 19 pandemic. And I hope people will get it you can get it at freedom watch USA. In other words, you with a contribution of $50 or more, we’ll send it to you for free for an amazon.com or Barnes and noble.com major booksellers. And it really is what I believe in. I believe we’re hanging by a thread right now. And we need to wait a second American peaceful and legal revolution quickly before we lose everything.
Jason Hartman 3:41
Yeah, the world is changing so fast. The country just feels like it’s falling apart. Thankfully, America is such a robust country that it takes an awful long time to destroy it. But I do agree that, you know, we’re not moving in the right direction in many ways. So when you talk about revolution, and illegal revolution, specifically, what type of revolution are you talking about? I mean, give us some,
Larry Klayman 4:07
The book is dedicated. You can see the cover of the book, you’ve got Thomas Jefferson overlooking Independence Hall, birthplace of Philadelphia, with Supreme Court justices sitting there, of course, they just sold out the President of the United States for their own interests just a few days ago. And Jefferson believed that federal judges, in article three he was opposed to article three with regard to federal judges. So because they were unelected and believing that they were there for life, that they would become despots and tyrants. And that ultimately, every 20 years or so, we would again have to shed the blood of patriots. And he said, What’s a few 1000 dead to refresh the tree of liberty? Now he didn’t want to see violence and neither do I. But he predicted that our so called protectors would become just as corrupt as the other two branches of government yet unaccountable because the other two branches in between removed at the ballot box. And that was his greatest fear. And so this book is Chronicles, you know, my fighting in the trenches of the executive branch, the deep state on both sides for my career, my dealings with Congress, which are a bunch of court jesters, clowns of criminals, that stuffing money into their pockets accomplishing little to nothing. And of course, the federal judiciary in particular, which has become so corrupt and compromised. They’re bought and paid for just like the judges of King George the Third are Yes, men, and yes, women. And that’s the problem. And it goes through that. And I tell the American people, this is what we face, we have no democracy left, we have no government that represents We the People, we can certainly see that just in the last month or so since the November 3 elections with a massive fraud and the inability of the government to address that massive fraud.
Jason Hartman 5:50
Yeah, I would agree. So when you when you talk about the appointed judges, are you? Are you talking about the supreme court or any federal judge, because in state court when the judges are elected, I mean, there’s all kinds of problems with that, too, you know, they’re pandering that that law firms that, you know, try cases in front of them donate to their campaign. And, and that’s a whole corrupt thing in a in a different way. So can you address it?
Larry Klayman 6:17
You’re right, Jason, you know, and I tend to want to fight found more cases in state court these days, particularly in Florida, which is a trial or state because I tend to be the plaintiff. I’m trying to make change. So I’m bringing cases. But yeah, they can pander to if they have a plaintiff, excuse me, they have parties that they think that can get them ahead and maybe with an employment to the federal bench, they’ll bend over backwards to that. Okay, I’ve seen it. And then I’ve seen recently, it’s a matter of fact, but the worst thing is to have judges who are unaccountable to the people that feel that they’re above the law and can do whatever they want based on their personal predilections, politics and biases and prejudices. So federal judges are the absolute worst, and they think they’re got, and they think that they can do no wrong, and you can’t question them. And so I go through in the book, the Federal Judicial Hall of shame, the 10 worst judges I ever appeared in front of. And then I point out that the Trump judges are a little better than the Obama and Clinton judges. They like courage. How do you get to be a judge? You know, in the federal system, Money Talks, and nobody walks his political campaign contributions. It’s just one example. A judge in Rhode Island, who was nominated put up for nomination by Sheldon Whitehouse. You saw him during the confirmation hearing, so they become the bearer and Brett Kavanaugh judge paid half a million dollars of campaign contributions to get his job on the federal bench. Another judge in Washington DC Randolph moss, I talked about in the book $38,000 to get his judgeship. And what it comes from Wilmer Hale, the law firm of Moeller was bundled more money to get him on the bench and they got a Trump judge on the bench. Dabney Friedrich. So what you have on the bench, right? Yes, men and women, we’re not doing the bidding of the American people when you get into these kinds of cases that deal with politics and government, the feathering the nest of those who put them on the bench. And that’s why you can gauge with almost exact certainty that they’re going to rule based on who appointed them.
Jason Hartman 8:11
I don’t want to dwell on this topic, any more than just one question, if I may. So the counter argument to that would be, you know, the founders said, for example, in the Supreme Court, let’s make some lifetime appointments. Let’s make it you know, appointments, not elections, not, you know, so it’s not political. They’re not influenced by that. And it’s interesting that you’re saying the opposite. So I just maybe want you to just,
Larry Klayman 8:37
You know, the founders were enlightened by God, but they weren’t God.
Jason Hartman 8:41
Good answer.
Larry Klayman 8:43
They made a few mistakes. And that was one of them. They didn’t realize what was gonna happen. And Jefferson is the only one who predicted what was going to happen. So that’s the problem. Besides, if you go back and look at the Constitution, there’s nothing in there that gives them life tenure, it says they shall serve for good behavior. If it wanted to, could say, well, for instance, to five year terms, renewable for good behavior. You’d how many judges we’ve impeached in 244 years?
Jason Hartman 9:12
Not many.
Larry Klayman 9:14
Eight. And one of the last ones was Alcee Hastings down there in Miami for taking bribes. And what happened after that? He ran for congress one and it’s been there ever since he said it was a conspiracy by white people in Congress to impeach. Right? So you know, this is you can’t remove them. I mean, they’re like cockroaches, right? Survive a nuclear attack. Find some way to get people in the mess. But here’s my suggestion. You asked me how do you wage a peaceful legal Rep.
Jason Hartman 9:45
Right, and that’s what that was gonna be. Let’s get back to that. Sure.
Larry Klayman 9:47
I’m not sure we can. We’re going to try and advocate violence but in 1992, Justice Scalia wrote an opinion the United States versus Williams where he found that the grand jury belongs to the American people nod to the three branches of government. Last fall. I commissioned the citizens grand jury I did it before in Ocala, Florida A while back with regard to Hillary Clinton and Obama. And we indicted Moeller for suborning perjury attempting to suborn perjury and obstructing justice with my client, Dr. Jerome Corsi who
Jason Hartman 10:21
Oh, I’ve had I’ve had Jerry Corsi on the show several times.
Larry Klayman 10:23
Yeah. Right. And you know, we’ve pushed back on Moeller we sued him we, we filed a criminal complaint. And Jerry was on indicted he was telling the truth, Roger stone was indicted, convicted on seven felony counts, but we indicted Moeller for that, because that’s illegal. We have the right to indict. We have a right to try the citizens of the United States with the right to sentence. And we even have a right to carry out citizens arrest even the state of California, the most leftist of the 50 states has a statute which allows for citizens to make arrest, if they know if someone committing a felony. That’s another story. But we’re educating the American people that we need to take our legal system back. Because what we’ve got right now are politicians in robes. And we can see the President’s own judges at the lower court level. And the Supreme Court stabbed him in the back like Brutus looked out for their own interests in the Washington swamp, rather than protecting the President and the American people have no protection. Now, if that doesn’t work, Jason and the other suggestions I don’t make. It’s not going to be yours truly that advocates violent revolution, but others will in this country. And we’re at that point. Right now people are set up to see what state governors and restrictions on their constitutional rights.
Jason Hartman11:44
Sure,
Larry Klayman 11:45
You know, it could get really nasty,
Jason Hartman 11:47
Right. If someone listening or watching loves or hates Trump, I don’t care. What you should be concerned about is is how incredibly difficult it is to drain the swamp. I mean, he just has everything against him. It is absolutely a monumental task. And you know, when you look outside of the system, if you will, when you look at the social media companies, the rest of the mainstream media, and it’s just unbelievable. The forces against this president. It’s absolutely staggering.
Larry Klayman 12:17
Well, that’s right. And it’s not a question of Trump, he was never the political Messiah. Okay, he did great things when he was president, this government is going to be taken over by socialists and communists full time, he’s already got several in there already. Sure, because people are burrowing in as we speak. And this country will be like, a Soviet gulag, and we will lose all of our liberties. And we need to do it now before it’s too late.
Jason Hartman 12:43
Well, I would agree with you. So you’re looking at the table of contents of your book, you talked about the federal judges, but talk a little bit about tyranny at the other branches, the executive branch, the legislative branch, you mentioned it, but you know, just dive into that a little deeper.
Larry Klayman 13:01
If you read the book, it takes a revolution of bucket a little bit here, because I really want people to read it and read the Declaration of Independence before you read that. Okay, it goes hand in hand, but the deep state, okay, not just what I’ve experienced, you know, in all the years that I’ve been fighting it, but I’m starting with the assassination of john F. Kennedy, most people believe that the CIA was responsible for that, you know, because we still don’t have an answer after all these years. Then you get into the the Gulf of Tonkin, you know, just give me a few examples with Lyndon Johnson lives in the American people that we were attacked by the North Vietnamese to get us into a war. The cost is 56,000 wines, hundreds of 1000s. Maybe I was when last year that I would have been drafted. Nixon ended the draft. Then you get into the the rocky war with George W. Bush, where we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction. You’ve got 80 people died during the Clinton administration. All just happenstance.
Jason Hartman 14:00
Yep. And after maybe very recently, I’m speaking of Epstein, of course, are somewhat neighbor. And you know, you don’t want to be friends with the Clintons. That’s a dangerous activity.
Larry Klayman 14:09
That’s right. So I get through that and Chronicle and just recently, the COVID-19 you’re gonna believe that our intelligence agencies knew this virus was released. He didn’t they kept it from President Trump. Or the fact that I have a client that you might get this to work with Fauci for Dietrich, that’s where we studied viruses and fighting combat, bioweapons course we also create them which is illegal in one escaped after 911. It was the anthrax from our own lab. But Fauci actually sent that COVID-19 the seeds of the SARS virus over to the woman while Obama administration appropriated $3.7 million to have the Chinese do research on it because we couldn’t do it here legally and ethically. We created the seeds of our own destruction,
Jason Hartman 14:57
Which which is what we do often with these little tinpot dictators that we support now and then and then they turn into our enemy years later, you know,
Larry Klayman 15:07
Right, and why is it Larry claiming to freedom wants to? We had to bring a class an accident, Dallas, Texas, for all the damage the Chinese have done. What an insult Islam Israel, we brought another one there we filed a criminal complaint. The Hague, of course, Europeans did nothing with that. But why did I have to do that? And this was a constructive criticism, the President Trump, why didn’t you freeze the assets? Why are we having to pay for the vaccines? Why don’t we recuperate the damage caused by China by making them pay for President is going to make Mexico pay for the ball? Because I think he knows that we actually, although we never intended to have fun and turn it into a bio weapon. He knows that we actually played some role in. So this is the deep state. And of course, the NSA. The mass surveillance, which I got two preliminary injunctions episode revealed that I hadn’t judged when let the case go forward after I got the preliminary injunctions and got to him. So that’s the deep state and then look at Congress look at, you know, Obamacare, let’s pass it. So we know what’s in it. I mean, you can go on and on. And these guys are a bunch of clowns and for the accomplished nothing to hold hearings to get on fox news or MSNBC to raise money to get reelected. You know, they take bribes. Look at look at Biden, 47 years in the Senate, he’s a multimillionaire. How does that happen? When the senator salary now we
Jason Hartman 16:28
Look, look at Bernie Sanders to you know, it’s it’s amazing. They come in, and they make a very modest salary, and somehow they just get rich. It’s just a magical thing that happens when you’re when you’re in Congress, you know.
Larry Klayman 16:43
Richard Burr, okay, head of the Intelligence Committee, I wanted to take a whistle blower to over the span surveillance wouldn’t listen, he sold millions of dollars in stock with obvious knowledge of COVID-19 for the American people that we dumped. Now what happened, you don’t go against the elite, he gets off scot free. So did Dianne Feinstein, same thing. And another similar name, I forget. So these are the crooks in Congress. And then then it got the judges were compromised, and corrupt when it comes to these cases, and will not enforce the rule of law. And then, of course, our Department of Justice, I was once a proud alumnus who is compromised as well, they do nothing. The rich and the powerful, get off scot free. The rest of us, we can burn at the stake.
Jason Hartman 17:27
Yeah. And the rich are getting so much richer in our winner take all society. You know, we’ve been losing the middle class for four decades now. And it’s just keeps getting worse. And you know, maybe I’d like to ask you a little bit about your thoughts on antitrust. It seems that over the past several decades, there’s just been so little appetite by the DOJ or anybody else to do any antitrust stuff. And you look at, you look at a company like alphabet, Google, that controls like 90% of us search traffic. It’s absolutely insane that any company should be able to shape the thoughts of of the public that way. And you know, Facebook and all the others. Finally, something is happening. You see these 46 states, there’s a new lawsuit against Google and Facebook for colluding with fixing advertising, fees and so forth. But it’s just absolutely incredible that we’ve got these giant monopolistic companies. I mean, what happened to the antitrust laws,
Larry Klayman 18:32
And I put it in context of my book, it takes a revolutionary because two years ago, I brought the main access case for myself, freedom wise, myself and freedom once and Laura Loomer, who lives down near me, she just ran for Congress, because she has been banned. And that’s very similar to what the Justice Department just throw out. A Trump joke, Trevor mixpad, please. Okay, and use this recording the District of Columbia dismiss the case. It’s not plausible. I don’t think this is really happening. We’ve bent over for the social media companies. And I’ve got it up on appeal is going to the Supreme Court, but I’m going to file a new case for nominating where I helped break up at&t when I was a young lawyer. department. I know what I’m doing here. And it was a viable case. Now this ask yourself this question. Why did blowhard bill Barr icon blowhard bill? Why did he bring in case after the President last? Why didn’t you bring it much sooner? Because maybe if he had bought such a case, maybe they would have played it a little bit straighter. Maybe the president wouldn’t have been a steroid and the rest of us conservatives, libertarians and people are fake, trashed and discriminated against. So that tells you some okay. bar was a part of that establishment. It’s part of the crowd. And the President was waiting to come in. When he praised him on the way out the door the other day, this guy’s and he didn’t call me and they’re like clapper. Mike Brennan promised we’re gonna do that and the citizens my injuries right after the new year, and I hope people will join us with that. Freedom watch usa.org and I explained the history in that in the book, it takes a revolution. Forget the scandal industry, get an amazon.com
Jason Hartman 20:16
Anything else you’d like to share it as we wrap it up, Larry?
Larry Klayman 20:21
Jason, we really need people like you. The subtitle, forget the scandal industry. Turn off Fox News. You can see they also stabbed the president in the back. And it’s not just that, it’s that they give false hope every night in hannity major breaking development, justice, just around the corner. Here’s Greg, Jared, you’re Sarah Carter. You know, they lure people back to make money and bring in advertising dollars, we need the truth. And the only way you’re gonna get the truth is with people like yourself and me. I have a radio show, too. I have a podcast every morning special prosecutor Larry Clayman, you know, we need to be like the underground during World War Two with the Nazis, right. And less fun. Think of this, the Declaration of Independence, when in the course of human events, the sovereign ceases to represent either people pursuant to the laws of nature and nature’s God, we have a right to alter or abolish our form of government, and to form a new government bind for the people in power faced in the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.
Jason Hartman 21:28
Those are amazing words, and they give me goosebumps.
Larry Klayman 21:30
Yeah, the most beautiful document ever written, sort of the Bible?
Jason Hartman 21:34
Well, and the Bill of Rights, you know, I would say.
Larry Klayman 21:36
Right now, what happened to World War Two in France was taken over by the Nazis were about to be taken over by socialists and the communists, the Gaul left, and he formed an alternative government in London, and he was the true French GM. Suppose the American people said, I don’t recognize this government anymore. It’s not a government for us. And people. Suppose we took it back to my birthplace of Philadelphia, and Independence Hall, and we said, okay, now, we’re going to have a Continental Congress, we’re going to elect a president, President can then appoint cabinet members will collect the legislature will have the Supreme Court right there, we have the right to do that. And I think we’re getting to that point, where if my measures that I suggested it takes a revolution don’t work. I think we’ve got to form our own government, fine for the people. They don’t like it, let them come and get us. We have a second amendment right.
Jason Hartman 22:27
What about secession movements? What do you make of those?
Larry Klayman 22:31
Well, that isn’t a profession, what you’re saying is, but I would do it nationally, not just piecemeal, we’re saying we don’t recognize this government, and we’re going to form our own doesn’t mean we’re going to be lunatics, and yeah, and tyrants, it means that we’re going to form a new government. And what I’ve been saying is, metaphorically let the criminal stay in Washington, the deep state, the legislature, the judges, let them commit crimes against each other. Because we don’t recognize you anymore. You don’t represent us. And we’ve seen that now, with the Supreme Court’s ruling this week. Or last week, late last Friday, we now see we have no protectors of the American people were left completely defenseless. So it’s time for us to rise up. And God is with us. We help ourselves. I believe that. And we have to do for ourselves right now. Or we’ll lose this contract.
Jason Hartman 23:25
Larry, the website is freedomwatchusa.org. Is that correct?
Larry Klayman 23:30
That’s correct. And I also formed a new group, Jason, called America Sheriff with circular pipe project.
Jason Hartman 23:36
He’s coming up on the show next week. So
Larry Klayman 23:40
He’s a great man. He’s my friend, my client, and we were the ones that helped kill the 5 million legal amnesty, you know, from the aliens way back when. But America Sheriff died a word. And sure Jones on pile Americans tapas, Sheriff. I like to think of myself as America’s toughest lawyer so you can go and see what we’re doing over there. We need the help there too.
Jason Hartman 24:01
Good stuff. Well, Larry Clayman. Keep up the good work and thank you for doing what you do
Larry Klayman 24:06
You too. Thanks.
Jason Hartman 24:12
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