Jason Hartman plays a Flash Back Friday episode where he interviewed Steven Greenhut, Director of PRI Journalism Center. The organization provides in-depth news coverage of the California government. Greenhut discusses how they focus on government waste, fraud, and the misuse of taxpayer money. He introduces his book, Abuse of Power: How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain, as he gives countless examples of abuse of power.
Announcer 0:00
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Steven Greenhut 0:14
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Jason Hartman 1:03
Welcome to the holistic survival show this your host, Jason Hartman and this is show number 27. Today we’re going to talk to Stephen green hut, who’s the author of plunder? And I tell you it is just amazing what is going on in big unions, big government and the massive abuses that are taking place nowadays, it is nothing less than despicable USA Today article I’m holding in my hand talks about how federal workers earning double their private counterparts. This whole thing is coming to an end and it’s coming to an end fast because people are outraged and you should be outraged, too. It is a total abuse of your tax dollars of the public Treasury and it is got to stop check this out. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since the year 2000, after adjusting for inflation compared with only 8.8% for private workers, and we see the businesses in this country the small businesses and why talk about Big Business big businesses just part of the government bureaucracy really I mean big businesses purchased the government they get favorable regulations to limit competition written for them through their lobbyists and Mainstreet small businesses the backbone of this country are getting taken advantage of it every level. It is totally ridiculous that they cannot keep up with government spending and government taxing and government regulations and they can’t afford to fight it. They can’t hire lobbyists to do all this stuff that the big companies can do. And really looking back in history. You can think john F. Kennedy in 1962, I believe it was who allowed federal workers to unionize and then jerry brown in California in the 70s who allowed the state workers to unionize double check my history on that if you want those are some fairly loose statistics there but it’s just unbelievable these abuses in this article in USA Today it shows compensation for the federal civilian the state and local government and Private and it shows salary and benefits. So the federal civilian get this is earning a whopping $81,258. And they’ve got another $41,791 in benefits. totally disgusting for a total of $123,000. The state and local government person is earning $53,000 and change another six. Well basically $17,000 in benefits for a total of basically 70 grand a year. Well, the person who is the real backbone of America in private enterprise is earning 50,004 62 and only 10,005 89 and benefits for a total of $61,000 people are totally outraged. This is coming to an end. So don’t think you’re going to be jumping to some federal job and have it easy because people are just fed up in this country. They’re totally fed up. And I hope you are and I hope you’re talking to people about it. I hope you’re talking about it on the social media. Twitter, Facebook etc. Because for those who aren’t paying attention, it is our duty to bring it to their attention. So we’ll go to the interview here. I hope you enjoyed that last show number 26, which was with Robert Higgs who talked about neither Liberty nor safety fear, ideology and the growth of government. So along the lines of the same subject and we’ve got a bunch of good shows coming up for you here I know we’ve been producing shows more slowly of late but we’ve recorded a few great ones and they’re coming up soon. So watch for those make sure you tell your friends about the holistic survival show. And if you’re interested in the financial component of holistic survival, remember we’re all about protecting the people places and profits you care about in uncertain times, care will cover people in places profits on the financial side, check out my other shows on that the financial freedom report, the creating wealth show that’s the biggie the speed of money show and if you’re a first responder if your police fire or emergency medical people check out our heroic investing show and younger people, check out the Young wealth show for learning how to get a good financial start in life. And those are all on iTunes. They’re all on their respective websites, Jason hartman.com links to all of them. So does holistic, survival calm. So check all those out. They’re all free. They’re all there for your benefit. spread the word about all the shows. And we will be back with the interview right after this where we will talk to Steven green hut after this quick message.
Steven Greenhut 5:25
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Jason Hartman 6:12
My pleasure to welcome Steven green Hutt to the show he is the author of plunder how public employee unions are rating treasuries controlling our lives and bankrupting the nation. This is a scary topic. It’s all too true. And it’s all too timely with what has gone on in Bell California recently, where plunder is the name of the game. Steven, welcome. Oh, thanks for having me. So what’s going on in the world of these rotten politicians stealing all the money from the public Treasury and the unions? And it seems like we have these sort of iron triangles, if you will, where all of these interests are just protecting each other. And we no longer really have a government of the people and by the people anymore, do we?
Steven Greenhut 6:48
Well, it’s certainly you know, one thing I find a lot of the plundering has been going on at the city level on a municipal level and we see that city of Bellamy you have a city manager whose total compensation package just like one Point $5 million. his salary was almost $800,000. His pension is estimated to be worth about $30 million. But what I find hilarious is that he got he got more than about six months of leave a year. So he wasn’t even there for most of the time. So it’s just it is plundering and that’s it’s just seems like almost downright thievery. And this went on for a long time. And one of the points I make in the book I like to talk about is how just what you said how these interests just seemed to protect each other and most of what goes on on city city business by the time it gets to the public hearing, but by the time they, the public, they’re watching and few people even pay any attention in the cities we all live in. Most of the main decisions have already been made and the fix has been in. And I give one story in the book I took place up in Fullerton, in Orange County, California, but it’s just so similar of what happened to everywhere, just how this massive tension increases moving forward, and it was all done quietly, legally. Of course, but but quietly, the public wasn’t informed about what was going on. The city staff was negotiating with the unions. And of course, the city staff that was negotiating with the unions stood to benefit from that massive pension increase themselves, because they’re members of the of the Union. And most of the politicians were in favor of it because of the strong support they got from the unions. So they put together this deal in closed session, because the state’s open records law mandates that salary and type issues are done in closed session. So the public didn’t know what was going on. And and they’re supposed to tell the public the politicians are supposed to tell the public at least the nature of the closed session discussions, but you would never know by looking at the agenda item that was publicized. What the heck was going on?
Jason Hartman 8:45
How do they hide this? What do they say on the agenda, Steve?
Steven Greenhut 8:48
Well, you know, I forget exactly what is on that agenda. But they say things like Memorandum of Understanding number 1234 or seven, something like that. You would never have any idea what was going on. I mean, I saw A lot of my first book was on eminent domain abuse. And a lot of these, these big plans that are pushed forward that in plain English mean that the city is going to take the property and bulldoze a neighborhood and give it to a big developer to build series of chain stores or an auto mall. What they send to the public is is you would never get that you need to be a lawyer to even have some idea what they’re talking about. So so what happens is municipalities follow the letter of the law, they send out the appropriate notices at the appropriate time, but they do everything they can to obscure the reality of the subject of what they’re doing. And I did one column from my old employer, the Orange County Register where I took the letter that was sent by the city of Garden Grove also in Orange County, California to a neighborhood members of old people who lived in a neighborhood that was being targeted for eminent domain to put the city officials wanted to put a theme park on this very relatively nice middle class neighborhood because they were seeking tax revenue. So the city pretty much was Working quietly and then they send this letter they have to follow the law that requires the notification of people living there. But but the letter was it was just jargon. There’s no it was almost like, oh, congratulations, we’re doing this sort of thing in your neighborhood. And you you needed to know you needed the inside story about what was going on. And unless there’s a politician who’s willing to stand up for the public, average person just really gets bulldozed in the process. And this process is such as you point out where the interested parties seem to manipulate it for their own own personal gain often and we see that with the unions. I see it with police and fire unions are notorious. They champion themselves as heroes and the public likes to you know, think highly of, of police and firefighters, but often they champion themselves in a way that leads to financial gain. And they use they use that I’ve seen unions use the 911 tragedy as a way to really shut up discussion about their own pay and benefit packages which are quite extreme and Many cases Well,
Jason Hartman 11:00
don’t Are you saying, Steve, are you really making the statement then that police and firefighters don’t deserve 200,000 plus dollars per year and pensions for 90% of their income at age 50?
Steven Greenhut 11:11
I think I could go out on a limb and say that, you know, I was talking to this one of the interesting things where and some of these subjects such as pensions and pay and the eminent domain issues another one where where there’s really are there really is places for for agreement among people with wildly different political viewpoints. I’m not I’m not a republican partisan. I’m I’m a libertarian, I believe in limited government. But I also I find that I, for instance, on the pension issue that has been dealing with some folks out of San Francisco, the real real true liberals who understand the degree to which you know, in one case, they were pointing out a $500,000 pay and benefit package for a police officers, not even the police chief. All these sorts of enrichment schemes are really obliterating the programs they care about and the way I see it is we can argue over what The ideal size of government should be at a later date. But we can agree find common ground. Now, I’ve never been a big fan of these Kumbaya sessions where you sit down with someone who you don’t agree with on anything and you try to come up with some common ground that really isn’t common ground, right? You just use the lowest common denominator and you try to have a but but but you can often find real common ground with people who disagree on the eminent domain issue. I mean, I remember being at a conference where I spoke to Maxine Waters, the very liberal Congresswoman from South LA, where she she’s great on that issue you make you make common ground with people wherever, wherever you can. And on these issues, I think there’s there’s room room for it. Because you know, going back to what you said there, there have been a lot of folks in power have manipulated the system for their own benefit and Bella’s the most ridiculous example seems to clear that the officials there, it’s all allegations we’re seeing, but it looks like they may have conspired to keep the public in the dark, and they may have committed crimes in doing so but often no crimes are Logic crimes are committed and people in power just just work. They just try to keep the issue out of the public view and benefits themselves.
Jason Hartman 13:08
Yeah, it’s really unfortunate. And it is amazing that these conflicts of interest can exist, Steve, there are all these ethics laws and so forth, but they just don’t work. Because people always find a way around them. They find a way to skirt the issue, don’t they?
Steven Greenhut 13:20
That’s it. I mean, what I think we’re becoming a nation where we have more and more rules and laws. And yet when you think about it, we’re and well, there’s no question about that. But we’ve reached such so many who reaches such a point, and yet it almost has the opposite effect because the people who are not going to follow the law it’s easier almost for them in this sort of system and then all these rules end up in trapping regular people who make honest mistakes. So I’m really disturbed by that area aspect of our society and how we seem to be going down down that that road
Jason Hartman 13:53
Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you. I mean, it’s so naive that people actually believe that the government will protect them. From these self interested iron triangles, it is so far detached, that there’s this sort of elite class in media, government unions, etc. That is just sort of plundering. That’s the perfect title. They’re just taking from the public Treasury over and over again. And when it comes to the issue of the pension side of it, Steve, we have this tsunami of pensions, the state of California is basically insolvent for all practical purposes. I don’t know if a chapter nine bankruptcy is coming. Or if an Obama bailout is coming print more fake money to buy votes. I guess that seems to be it in Washington, but
Steven Greenhut 14:32
inflation would be the new tax to pay for it, I suppose.
Jason Hartman 14:36
Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, let me just expand on that what you mean by the inflation tax is that the value of everybody’s savings, stocks, bonds, Home Equity will just be attacked because those those dollars will become progressively worthless? And that’s a very dangerous thing. But what’s going to happen to the state of California you know, since your since your focus is really on local government and you’re you’re in Sacramento, and you’ve done a lot of work here for the Orange County Register. I’m in Orange County. What do you think? The outcome here.
Steven Greenhut 15:01
Yeah, that’s that’s a hard one to see where I mean, I’m good at pointing to the problem. Now the states can’t go bankrupt, but they can become essentially bankrupt go into insolvency. And as you point out correctly, the state really is in de facto bankruptcy that Stanford University report found that the unfunded pension liabilities, which is the debt is $500 billion. It was a B. I mean, that’s that’s an incredible amount of money so that unions have been attacking that study. Well, okay. Even the the conservative estimate says it’s $300 billion. And it’s still an enormous amount of debt that we can’t possibly pay for the state as a structural budget deficit of about $19 billion. And the state’s democrats want to just keep raising taxes, which is, you know, just going to chase businesses out of state. And so it’s an absolute mess. And I yeah, I don’t know what happens and then at the Fed at the federal level, yeah, the Obama administration thinks we could just bail out everyone by borrowing more money. So that’s where I think maybe we’ll get to the inflation I assume the bond markets essential. We’ll we’ll have to rein in some of the spending. But at the federal level, I quote CEO of the federal reserve of Dallas who had given a speech talking about just the the Medicare and Social Security debt. And he said, if we want to be responsible citizens, let’s just say we want to be responsible citizens and pay that off right now. And he said, Okay, fine, it’s every man, woman and child write a check for $330,000 and send it to the federal treasury. So it’s impossible. How do we do that? I mean, what how do we how do we we’re debt levels that are impossible to pay back?
Jason Hartman 16:29
No, they really are, then there’s no way to work this out with productivity, I think the way it’s gonna be worked out is is just inflation they’re gonna inflate the debt away they’re gonna keep all the promises in nominal dollars but in real dollars, there’ll be worthless so people that get through social security checks in 10 years you won’t be able to buy a Big Mac with it probably it’s just really it’s really treacherous situation we find ourselves in well talk to us more about the unions if you would, some of the nuances of the way that this is just costing our society such a fortune.
Steven Greenhut 16:57
Yeah, I mean, there’s there’s no question on the on the pension. The benefit levels, the debt levels we have are they’re clearly unsustainable and even some Liberal Democrats like Willie Brown and Bill Locke here, the treasure, the chief actuary for CalPERS. The California public employee retirement system said it’s unsustainable. So so there’s the first way and it’s not just pensions, it’s the healthcare liabilities. But but one of the one of the points I like to make or two points that are beyond beyond the financial issues as severe as they are, is once an accountability issue, the unions have been able to protect their workers from serious levels of accountability. And I’ve seen that in dealing with bad deputies who abuse their power. I mean, how but the unions seem to make it very difficult to bring justice to two deputies and police who abused their power possible to fire a lot of these government workers. And I was on the stossel show, and we were talking about our LA Times had done an investigative piece on what it takes to fire bad teachers and and in The T It was a series It was amazing series said they don’t know the LA Unified, they don’t even try the officials there Don’t even try to fire in competent teachers. That’s an impossibility. We’re talking about trying to get rid of teachers credibly accused of sexual abuse and drug abuse and those sorts of things. And it could still take 710 12 years to get rid of them. They’re put in these things called rubber room where they sit there all day and collect their full full check. So that’s a union system that has lievable Yeah, so what so what was amazing was, he showed me we’re kind of laughing, the audience is laughing. He’s showing this chart, this small print of boxes and arrows showing how you get rid of the disciplinary process, and how you get rid of a bad teacher. And it goes on and on and on and on step one through many steps and then we’re all laughing because of all the many steps and then he lets loose and there are four more pages to fall to the ground. So it’s just ridiculous so that the unions make it impossible to fire even the worst teachers so and the same thing. I’ve seen it with deputies abuse of guards and dead Can’t get rid of them. So Wow, that’s a terrible thing that we’ve we’ve created, and then the other cost, and that and that’s a cost and public services, right? Because we can’t reform the public services, we can’t improve the school systems, we can’t improve our policing if you can’t get rid of bad actors. And then the other thing is a fairness issue while we’re creating a society, a two tier Society of the of the rulers and the ruled, which is not what we’re supposed to have in America. And and that’s, that takes a toll, I think on on the kind of freedoms that we have. And we’re creating a society of not only of all these rules, but we’re creating a society where we’re getting used to being searched and examined and watched. I did a piece or column recently about how just going going to a park to swim down the river. We had to get searched by the park ranger to make sure we didn’t have any beer. And it’s just we’ve This is just I think, one of the biggest problems is to what kind of society are we creating? Well,
Jason Hartman 19:55
we’ve got all these draconian laws, I mean, you you mentioned the beer thing I remember when Here in Huntington Beach and many beaches, it was okay to have fires and drink beer and all of that kind of stuff. And it seems like all these draconian laws have just been enacted and enacted for a few reasons. Number one, so the government always has has something on everybody. There are so many laws that we’re all unintentionally breaking laws that we don’t even know about. The old saying that I heard growing up is ignorance of the law is no excuse when that makes a lot of sense. But how can anyone be aware of all of these laws if you are in business, it is impossible not to be breaking some law or your countertops, the right height? Does your door have the right level of tension into the restroom? It’s just craziness.
Steven Greenhut 20:41
No, you’re exactly right, because you could at any time. And that’s one of the core ideas that our founders fought about that fought against me this idea that you can at any time be pulled over for any reason and if you are pulled over or stopped or harassed or an unlawful search and seizure, and basically that’s what’s happening. We have so many rules and it’s impossible. Yeah. If you’re Business Owner I don’t know who in the right mind would start a business in the state not in California. Yeah, and it’s bad elsewhere too but but yeah, I know I know businesses who you know, they’re subject to the aq m d Air Quality Management District that’ll have very odd in their enforcement and punitive on even on things that are honest mistakes. And we did a series, one of my reporters had cow watchdog on about how carb the Air Resources Board is putting people in jail for for really what amounts to honest regulatory mistakes. And now Can anybody know what all these regulations are? So we’re all just subject to the whims of the enforcement agents and and it’s becoming I think it’s that’s a very troubling atmosphere, it is roading our freedom and what happens is that the liberals often expand all these laws, you know, they turn little things into environmental crimes but the the conservatives always want more law enforcement. So I try to work that and add to this guy to ruling class thing where, where we, you know, get it both ways. And then a one other thing is You know, the Washington Post did a big story about our national security state and how much it was called top secret America. A hidden world growing beyond control. And it just talks about the top secret world that government created in response to the attacks of September 11 has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people have employees and how many programs exist within it. So we’ve created this enormous government that can spy and and do anything it wants. And we don’t we can’t even tell you how many people work for it or what they do or what their powers are. And that doesn’t seem like a limited government to me.
Jason Hartman 22:36
Couldn’t agree more. Let me take a brief pause. We’ll be back in just a minute.
Steven Greenhut 22:42
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Jason Hartman 23:09
You mentioned the aq MD and I just thought I’d bring this up because I had the pleasure to spend the day there several years ago when I was in a community group called leadership tomorrow, a nine month program where you went through and saw all these different aspects of the community. Well, one of our days was at the aq MD, which by the way is in Diamond Bar. It has a gorgeous building a beautiful office and beautiful I think Herman Miller furniture, and just it was just gorgeous. I mean, it was like walking into the lobby of an expensive hotel.
Steven Greenhut 23:36
I’ve been there I lived in Diamond Bar, and we used to have there were meetings there different sort of community meetings in that building is you’re exactly right.
Jason Hartman 23:42
Well, I remember I asked our host who was showing us around the building, talking about what the aq MD does and all the good they do and how they make the air better and all this stuff. And I just asked the sort of innocent question. I said, this is really quite an operation you’ve got it’s a beautiful facility. Where does the revenue come from and she proud He says we do not accept at least at the time this may have changed. We do not accept money from the government. We are funded by finding businesses. Oh, great. And I thought, Oh, great. So so you’re running the businesses out of the state by finding them and, and she would talk throughout the day about how they come in and look at the company’s parking lot, and how they had to make sure that if you drove your own car to work, it was very difficult to park. Only if you carpooled, could you park in the good spots and otherwise you have the bad spots? And it just all this stuff seems well intended in the beginning and it just never works in practice
Steven Greenhut 24:34
just torments us. I do believe a lot of these folks, that’s that’s their whole goal is just to torment us to make us pay for our horrible consumer lifestyle or whatever it is, you know, they seem to think, but I’m here I’m reading you know, just a bag on what we were talking about about the number of rules I just found this little this quotation from ein Rand’s atlas shrugged. Great book. Yeah, absolutely. As is and here is a quote one of the one of the Bad guy says, Do you really think we want these laws observed? We want them to be broken, you’d better get a straight that it’s not a bunch of Boy Scouts you’re up against we’re after power and we need it. There’s no way to rule innocent men, the only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. But when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them one declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking the law. So that’s, I think, that kind of idea that that we’re starting to see. That’s that’s very troubling.
Jason Hartman 25:25
Yeah, it sure is. It really is troubling, Steve, I mean, what are we gonna do about it? How will this problem ever? How will we ever fix it?
Steven Greenhut 25:34
You know, I just I just don’t know. I mean, I we bet. You know, those of us were, do you know what you do? We do radio shows, and we write and, you know, it’s such a strong, it’s such a tough battle to get any sort of positive reform at all. And then the negative reforms, the negative things seem to come at us so quickly. I mean, I really don’t know what to do except try to change the hearts and minds of the public and, and, you know, I know people from so who fled out Soviet society or Eastern Europe, Europe, everyone there knew how bad things were. And what a crummy system they had an unfree system. And, you know, I think that’s the start. I’m not saying that our system is as bad as that. So don’t
Jason Hartman 26:13
it’s not that it’s, yeah.
Steven Greenhut 26:16
Some people have to start recognizing that maybe we’re not as free as we think we are. And, and the first step in restoring some of our freedoms that have been lost is to recognize how stupid the government is and how malicious it is and how dangerous it is, which is what the founders believe that their main fear their their main threat was from their own government. That’s why we created a system of checks and balances and, and all different different sorts of systems that were put in place to protect our fundamental rights.
Jason Hartman 26:43
It seems that we’re really at a time when everybody is just looking out and they’re voting just to get their free stuff. And as they vote to get their free stuff, and you do this collectively, everybody wants their little payout from government. But you mentioned earlier Steve that you can find common ground with people from both sides of the aisle, and you know, I have heard Maxine Waters who I disagree with vehemently say one or two things that I actually agreed with her about from time to time, and pretty much everyone, it seems on both sides of the aisle will agree that government is inefficient. It is riddled with corruption, and it’s just bad at execution. And so what I say to them is just why not just make government smaller? If you agree that there are all these problems with government, why would you want to expand that entity and the way to make it smaller is to cut off its money supply? You’ve just got to cut the money going to it. And that’s why even people on the left will agree with that statement. A lot of times that I just mentioned should just vote for lower taxes. It just kind of stopped losing but
Steven Greenhut 27:44
yeah, no, no, I just figure like on small on a lot of small reforms. Yeah. You I mean, in a state like this. We’ve got to work with everybody. But you’re exactly right. I mean, here you have people will agree you’ll be talking with folks and they’ll agree that Yeah, look at look at the DMV and look at our homeland security. When Talking to the to the lefties. I talked about looking at how bush abused his power. Look at you know all this Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, why don’t we just limit those powers, then they have a problem but then then people on the right they agree about how awful government is and how it’s out of control and taxes are too high, but yet they support unlimited government in terms of the national security state. And like, you know, all these overseas endeavors are pretty expensive. And they’re not going to work any better than the Great Society worked. And then all this Homeland Security stuff. I mean, this is government out of control. You know, we obviously we need certain level of security measures, but they’re allowing their support for the general concept of security to cloud their judgment and they’re willing to allow government which is the same nature of government, whether it’s doing national security or regulating our air quality a government is government, it’s about force. So we’ve got we’ve got limit those we’ve got to limit government at all levels and, and this assumption that if government doesn’t do something, then it won’t be done at all. Which I just don’t. It’s just crazy. I mean, do you think we wouldn’t have roads? If the government never provided roads? Do you think we wouldn’t have schools? I mean, you think society would they just believe because government does something that it must do something to do these things and and it’s just a constant education process that doesn’t seem to get anywhere. But hopefully someday we’ll have Well, the pendulum will start swinging back in the other direction,
Jason Hartman 29:22
maybe what has to happen, and maybe this will kind of be our closing thought here is that a couple states need to become insolvent completely default on their obligations, renegotiate their contracts, God forbid, we might have an actual revolution of some sort, maybe like an atlas shrugged. Maybe the productive will go on strike. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going to happen. But something has got to change. America is headed in a very, very scary direction. And it’s so bloated, it just it’s collapsing under its own weight all over the place.
Steven Greenhut 29:49
It does seem that way. And I think the fact the fact is, most of us, though, are are affluent and most of the time you know, we get we’re comfortable and it’s hard to you know, until the money supply starts. drying up until we’re I don’t think we’re gonna see see any change. And I’m not advocating for hard times but it does seem as if the, you know, these bad economic times so it’s only because of that as anyone dealing with these long term pension obligations and any of these other problems so it would be nice if we could get together and fix these issues or not create the problems to begin with and and I hear a lot from from politicians will say, Well, what are what do we do about this pension issue? I’m like, Well, you could have listened to me over the last 10 years when yet you you voted for these things, it would have been nice to start by doing no harm. Yeah, so anyway, it’s well, it’s just I think at this point, it’s an intellectual exercise of trying to convince people of the need to reform these systems and and now that the taking advantage of of this down economy and trying to force our governments to at least live within their means,
Jason Hartman 30:51
well, Steve, where can people find out more about your work?
Steven Greenhut 30:53
Yeah, I have the Cal watchdog that ca l watchdog.com. website, which is just a investigative a news site dealing with California politics. So I encourage people to check that out as often as possible. It’s all about pages anymore. And also my book is called plunder how public employee unions are rating treasuries controlling our lives and bankrupting the nation. It’s most easily available on Amazon. I still do my newspaper column, which you can see at the Orange County Register and the North County times and both have their websites. And I do some blogging for big government calm and so find you find my stuff
Jason Hartman 31:31
around the web. Excellent. Well, Stephen Greenhalgh. Thank you so much for the insights and thank you for joining us today. Keep up the good work. Okay. Thanks for having
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