Jason Hartman hosts G Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island. They start the conversation by talking about corporate scandals. Griffin explains that too many individuals are hiding behind corporations as they rip off both consumers and shareholders. One example he gives is how it is legal to extract millions of dollars from a company as stock shares go down to zero. He explains how unfair it is that when corporations are punished, so are shareholders. Jason reminds listeners to always maintain control.
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It’s my pleasure to welcome a returning guests back to the show. And that is none other than Mr. g. Edward Griffin. He is of course, very well known for the the excellent work in his book, his classic book, I guess I now could say, the creature from Jekyll Island. And he spoke at one of our meet the Masters conferences A few years ago, show several times. And it’s always a pleasure to have him on.
G Edward Griffin 1:22
Welcome. How are you ever? Well, thank you for inviting me. And I’m doing just Well,
Jason Hartman 1:26
good to have you back. So, you know, you’ve written extensively and talked extensively about monetary policy and the way the banking cartel has been basically abusing the entire planet. And certainly people in the US because we have the largest central bank, the quote unquote, Federal Reserve. Nothing federal about it. But you know, today, you’ve been thinking a lot lately, and I can’t wait to talk to you about the way the powers that be the big execs, the C class, the elite class, hide behind corporations, and entity structures. And there’s certainly a purpose for these vehicles. I mean, I believe they were created centuries ago, to facilitate shipping and exploration around the world when the great explorers and Portugal and Spain and Italy and so forth, went out to settle the new world. And there was a lot of risk in doing that, you know, people might lose their fortunes. So these entities, by my understanding is the history they were created, so that people could not be personally liable. And they could put some capital at risk. And that would be all they risk, nothing more. But certainly, as we see today, in the in the corporatocracy, there are abuses, they’re just absolutely pathetic and disgusting. One of the things I teach, as you probably know, in my 10 commandments of successful investing, when I’m talking mostly to real estate investors, is commandment number three, which says, Thou shalt maintain control. And what I refer to here is when people invest money, and they are not a direct investor in something, where they don’t possess the thing they invest in, they entrust their money to somebody else, you know, the executives with these corporations, the boards of directors, they’re skimming the profits off the top. Even worse, they might be a crook, or they just might be stupid. And you’ll lose your money because of their dishonesty, their stupidity, or just because they take a huge management fee off the top and, and Lou Dobbs wrote a great book years ago called war on the middle class. And in it, he talked about Oracle, and how Larry Ellison founder and CEO of Oracle, in two short years, took over $700 million out of Oracle, almost a billion dollars. And that would be fine with me if the shareholders were getting a great return. But the reality was, the shareholders lost 61% of the value of their stock during that same two year period. And this is sadly, perfectly legal. When these companies Wells Fargo is the latest. They’ve looked like a scam every month now. You know, they get fine. But the shareholders pay the fine. The executives don’t pay the fine. It’s it’s just a complete separation and a misalignment of interests. There’s a lot to go on there. What are your thoughts?
G Edward Griffin 4:12
Well, those are my thoughts. Jason, it’s been one of my pet peeves for many, many years. I got caught up in the trap, I would call it or at least the trend. People saying oh, there’s corporations are lousy, those they ought to be punished. Those corporations should be how do you punish a corporation? It’s a non entity. It’s it’s an abstraction. It’s an agreement. How do you punish an agreement? But anyway, I used to think that that’s a good idea that corporations needed to be punished and taxed and they making too much money and so forth. And finally, as I matured and understood how the systems really work, it dawned on me that the corporations, there’s nothing wrong with a corporation. It’s a perfectly logical structure. I mean, the idea not the structure, but the idea that people can join their investments together and have somebody to manage them for them and and they assign responsibility and they share The Prophet, they have an agreement, they write it down, they call it a contract. And that’s what they agreed to do. And they go to some state says, Okay, we’ll register you as a corporation, that this is the name, it just means they’re registering the legality of the agreement. And therefore the laws of the state will enforce the agreement if the agreement fits the rules and so forth. And nothing wrong with that. Because you find corruption everywhere. Let’s face it, the biggest banks in the world are partnerships. The biggest banks in the world are partnerships. They’re not corporations. And we don’t see any different operation there. Just because they’re partnerships. You can have corruption and associations in governments governments are they say, Oh, this government is a corporation? Well, so it’s a corporation or it’s a government, it’s still an agreement. It’s a piece of paper that’s held legally binding by the rules of the state, it doesn’t make any difference what you call it, and you identified the problem very well. It’s the essence of the rules and laws that allow these entities, whatever they are, whatever they’re called, to hide responsibility of the individuals, the management, and the middlemen with the people who make the decisions. These corporations are shielded by the corporate veil, this is the same in in true in partnerships. To some extent, it’s a little more legally complicated. But it’s certainly true in governments, the mayors, the presidents, the congressmen, the police, men on the corner, they all if they do something egregious, they take some measure. That’s perfectly horrible. How to sue the city, sue the state, sue the federal government, and as you said, Who are they suing? they’re suing the taxpayers, and the the banks and the executives that whoever is making these decisions, I always think of the pharmaceutical industry, because these guys sit around and say, Oh, so this drug we’re working on, it kills 8% of the people and it cripples. But they do
Jason Hartman 6:53
calculation the same. Yeah, Ford Motor Company did with Ford Pinto, in the early 70s. They knew that gas tank was dangerous, they knew would explode. It did people died. And you know, we later found out that they could have used like a $2 Park, and they would have been much safer. That’s the point of mathematical calculation. And look at what happened with Volkswagen and the emission scandal, you know, polluting the planet. The executives always get off the hook, and they just make paying fines part of their business plan, basically, yes,
G Edward Griffin 7:25
it’s a cost of doing business. That’s how they look at it.
Jason Hartman 7:27
But but but the worst part is, it’s a cost to the shareholders, not the executives. Now, granted, the executives probably own some stock. Sure. But there’s a total disconnect between
G Edward Griffin 7:39
what there is a disconnect and the share. They’re not they’re held prisoner not held personally responsible, and even though their shareholders and maybe they have some reduced dividends because of it, they get bonuses. I mean, these executives in the pharmaceutical industry will pass a drug into the market, they know what’s going to kill 8% of the people, they know it’s going to cripple 22% of the people. And then they bury the evidence, and they lie about it. And then somebody finds out and said, We You dirty dog, you knew about this. So we’re going to sue the corporation, the corporation, they sue, not the guy that made the decision or the team that made the decision. And so the corporation said, okay, we owe what $20 million to you. That’s a big chunk. But we made 100 and 80 million, I guess it’s a good cost of business. And so they write it off. And the guys that made the decision, get bonuses and promotions, because they made smart business deals by killing people. It’s Blood Money is what it is,
Jason Hartman 8:31
it is blood money. And you know, whether it’s actual blood money, or it’s just financial blood, you know, you look at during the Great Recession in the first year or two of the Great Recession. We saw Goldman Sachs, they bonus themselves, what $630,000 each, as they were collapsing the world economy, right? This is absolutely ridiculous. What are we gonna do? I mean, Corporation, well, basically, like they have all the advantages of a natural person, without any of the cost of being a natural person. You know, natural people are flesh and blood, they have limited life, they can be injured, they can die, they can go to prison. Where’s the accountability with corporations?
G Edward Griffin 9:14
Well, that’s the point. It’s not that it’s a corporation. It’s the fact that the way the rules are written the way that the state legislators have passed the rules and the administrators have created this system under which the corporation shields its management. All they got to do is change that and say any individual who makes a conscious decision to commit a crime, it doesn’t make any difference, whether they’re the executive, the CIO of a corporation or not, they are personally responsible for the consequences of that act would be a relatively simple piece of legislation that could be passed in all the state legislatures around the country and should be the day after that happens. I guarantee all of this abuse will come to a screeching halt. Because these guys know if they can get it wrong. They’re going to pay for it themselves. And that’ll be the end of it.
Jason Hartman 10:01
Yeah. But that’s very unlikely that we’ll ever see any progress there. Right? Because, look, we have Citizens United, the corporation’s own the politicians, don’t they?
G Edward Griffin 10:13
Well, yes. And I agree with you that we have a steep hill to climb. But I disagree that we’ll never see it happen. Because if we don’t see it happen, I mean, we’re really messed up. You just kiss goodbye to your future, I think it can happen. But first, you’d have to talk about it, how many people that you meet in Walmart that are even aware of what we’re talking about. And until that time comes when the public is aware of and becomes indignant over this great injustice. Once that happens, then the legislators will fall right in line, but we have an educational job to do.
Jason Hartman 10:45
Where do we start? Okay, so educate people make people aware of it, what
G Edward Griffin 10:49
else? Now you’re on to my favorite topic, we can’t just sit around and say how bad things are and complain about it and say how we got the perfect solution, we have to make that solution happen. That means we have to join together we have to form into Coalition’s we have to seek political influence, we have to select candidates, we have to be the people who are just the opposite of the collectivist now these people that we’re talking about, have all the big bucks and all the control of the media. I mean, they’re in power. And they all have a similar mindset, which is called collectivism. And we have to replace those people, it can be done. But it’s not going to be easy. It’ll be simple, but not easy. But that’s what will, we’ll have to replace those people, we can’t just come up with a better idea. Because they know that we have a better idea. They don’t care. They don’t like our better idea. Because they have a better idea for them, you know. So yeah, so we can’t argue and reason with them. They understand what the deal is. And they’re just getting away with murder, literally, or theft. So they just look at us like we’re kind of little gnats and ants and the way they can step on us and crushes. But once we have a critical mass, and I’m beginning to see that welling up right now, in society, because all of these wrongdoings that we’re talking about are beginning to surface, and you can’t sweep them under the rug anymore. I mean, they’re right in our face. And I think that people are beginning to want to know the truth, and they’re not so willing to take that blue pill and go back to sleep and go into their illusions anymore.
Jason Hartman 12:16
Well, where do we stand on the scorecard the balance of the march toward socialism? You know, we’ve got Bernie Sanders and and now we’ve got AOC, you know, the little darling of the, the Marxist movement?
G Edward Griffin 12:33
My answer to that is that the march toward socialism was completed at the end of World War Two. We had been in socialism since that time. It’s just a question of degree. But I would say our socialist quotient right now is probably about 99%. It breaks me up when I hear people say, done with capitalism, look at all these things that capitalism is doing. And we were starving, we’re out of work, our prices are going up. But down with capitalism, capitalism was swept aside, decades ago, we’re living under socialism, folks. We just don’t call it that. It just go to the dictionary and look up what the word means. And then state ownership or control, well, control is more Nazi ism. But they’re the same, basically, that the state controls the means of production, they own all the property, and that they’re trying to take away all of our personal property right now. That’s why I said we still have 1% left. But we’ve been living under this thing called socialism ever since world war two maybe before that?
Jason Hartman 13:32
Well, I mean, define that. I don’t know if people listening would agree with that. I mean, the state doesn’t own the means of production on everything. Of course, they have liens on it, I get what, you get that
G Edward Griffin 13:43
well, what wouldn’t you call that ownership? I mean, if you don’t pay your if you don’t pay your taxes on your house, what happens? The owner takes it from they take it, of course, that state owns your property folks wake up?
Jason Hartman 13:55
Well, that’s what I say, you know, to our investor clients is almost everywhere on the planet, there are very few exceptions, governments have a perpetual lien on your properties. So the idea of owning a property free and clear is an absolute myth. And you actually make yourself a foreclosure target, if you have a lot of equity in your property. So I say the best thing to do is let the bank own or encumber as much of that property as possible and leverage it. Because of course, the return is higher, the risk is lower, but you don’t make yourself a target for foreclosure. If you forget to pay your tax bill or your HOA dues, the property can just be taken away from you. It’s absolutely crazy.
G Edward Griffin 14:38
Yeah, well, that’s why I say that we haven’t lived in a true free market capitalist system for a long, long time. So the march toward socialism was done long time ago. Now we’re going beyond socialism into a pure totalitarian state, with no pretense, even any more of the, you know, taking care of the people that just that’s the way it’s going to be shut up and get in line.
Jason Hartman 15:00
Well, not to be particularly political here. But I have to ask, what do you think about Trump? I mean, he’s a different kind of cat for sure. In comparison to what we’ve had Obama, and then you know, the rise of the Bernie Sanders AOC class, so I’ll call it or Kamala Harris, or you know, any of them. There’s so many Democrats in the race, who knows what to think. But where does this kind of fall with you? Curious?
G Edward Griffin 15:26
Well, you know, if you asked me that question in the morning, I might have a different answer than in the afternoon. Depends on what Twitter says, Yeah, depends on what’s going on. I have I have very strong mixed emotions. Of course, there’s a lot. There’s a lot about Trump that I like, but when I sit back and look at it, objectively, most of what I like about Trump is that the radical left hates him. You know, in the funny
Jason Hartman 15:51
thing, I know republicans hater.
G Edward Griffin 15:52
Yeah. And so he’s got excellent enemies. And I then I start thinking, you know, that’s the game that’s been played on the American people for decades. We don’t vote for candidates anymore. we vote against candidate. That’s how people get elected. It’s negative. I don’t like either of them. But I hate that one. So I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils. Dealing with that way, if I were a politician, and I would say to a, how do I get elected? Well, I need to have somebody running against me. That’s really, really bad. Okay. Now, if you opposition? Yes, yes. Now, if you believe as I do, that both political parties are essentially the same and have the same control behind them. And we’re talking about fanat. The big banks, for example. I mean, they own the politicians, as you said, and that means both parties. So if they own both parties, do they really care which one gets elected? Not really. They might say, well, let’s keep the charade going. So people think they’re having a voice in their own political destiny. So we have to have this contest going on the left versus the right, supposedly, are the republicans versus the Democrats, a lot of debate and clash. And the more clash there is the more anger there. Is there more emotion there is, the less people think about what’s really going on. They don’t really think anymore, what’s going on. Now, Mr. Trump is says all these good things. He’s going to stop illegal immigration. Oh, right for Trump, and we find out later Well, he’s not doing that at all. You know, when he was camping, we got to put an end to these wars over overseas as well. Yeah, we’ll vote for him. Well, now these he’s not doing that at all. You know, I remember this phrase, when I was studying the works of communists, I wanted to find what made their brains tick. And I found it, they and the Nazis, the fascist believe the same thing. But when I was doing that, I ran across a lot of writings by a lot of Lenin. And one of the things that stuck in my mind, Lenin said, Well, a couple of things. These promises are like pie crushed, made to be broken. And then in another essay, he said, words are one thing, actions another. And when I look at what’s going on in the political arena today, I keep thinking of those learning His praises. And so now you ask me, How do I evaluate not just Mr. Trump, but any candidate, any candidate or any office holder, I get a deck disruption between what they say and what they do. And I beginning to get very callous about the whole thing. I think we’re being taken for suckers. Mm hmm.
Jason Hartman 18:22
Yeah, we are. The question is, how do we get this to turn around, you know, it is voting for the lesser of two evils. And there’s kind of an interesting quote about that, you can always tell the quality of a person by the quality of their enemies or some quote along those lines, which I find to be an interesting quote.
G Edward Griffin 18:40
But I disagree with that. The I disagree with that, because in this world, these people are professionals. And they know that if you’re not so hot yourself, you better have an enemy that is so atrocious and so smelly, that nobody even notices you. They’re just they would vote for anybody just to avoid having that guy, right. So I look at I look at who is controlling these antiva groups, who’s funding them and so forth. Where does that all come from? George Soros, the George Soros is and then we got the deep state, right. Supposedly, they’re posed to each other, but they’re not really. And so we got what looks to me at least like Soros, and this leftist crowd is all funding and promoting all this theater on the left, and I call it theater. Because of those people weren’t on the Soros payroll, they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing. They’re not ideologues, they’re being paid. Now, they might have it in their heart to the Yeah, we agree with it, but they wouldn’t be there. And then that we have these so called white supremacists, wherever they come from, you know, any white supremacist with swastikas on it?
Jason Hartman 19:37
No, no, any Yeah,
G Edward Griffin 19:39
no, I’ve never met one. It’s theater. It’s all being funded by the deep state. And so you see you basically at the top, you’ve got some mastermind saying, okay, we need a clash. And so they fund and organize both sides. and we are given the choice, Which side do we want to vote for? Yeah, that’s how it works. Sure, sure.
Jason Hartman 19:58
So talk to us a little bit. about, you know, people hear the terms, the deep state and Tifa. What are those? And then, you know, the George Soros backing? You know, what, what’s the motivation of Soros of the deep state of an Tifa? I mean, I have a feeling you’re just going to say control. But you know, maybe the question is control for what?
G Edward Griffin 20:22
Yeah, I see where your question is going, logically, yeah. Why are they doing this? Yeah, it is control, of course. But in order to gain control over a world system, especially one that includes one like the United States, and some parts of Europe, which traditionally had a lot of cultural affinity to liberty and freedom and justice in the courtroom, and, you know, freedom of speech, and all of that, you have to change the thinking and the structure of these entities, you’ve got to break down the United States, for example, you’ve got to get the United States on its knees. So it stops worrying about such things as what kind of a judicial what kind of a judicial system we have. Do we want freedom to speak, you want them worried about survival? Because that’s why wars have always been organized by tyrants. They don’t want their people complaining about how hard life is. So they scared them to death with wars. Yeah, Machiavelli wrote about that in the prince, the book called The prince, he’s in it if the people are complaining about too much taxes, and and you’re taking away their liberties, go get in a war Grinch. Now that now they have to be patriotic, and so they’ll support you no matter what. This is so simple. When you think about it, and it’s been going on for centuries. I see no reason to think it’s not going on today. That I’m convinced it is.
Jason Hartman 21:38
Yeah. So motivations of the deep state. So war, you know, I mean, the central bankers profit from war, war is a distraction. it instills this patriotism that, you know, wag the dog, right? It’s all wagging the dog, like the like the old movie, but, you know, just a little more like a little deeper on that subject. You know, I agree with you couldn’t agree more, but just anything more. Okay. Yeah,
G Edward Griffin 22:02
I could go a little deeper, because it’s interesting, the deeper you go. In my research for the book on the Federal Reserve, I came across the roots of some of these ideological movements. And they came across the Fabian socialist society, which was founded in England a little over 100 years ago. Most people have never heard of it. But it’s very powerful in England and several of the Prime Minister’s of England have been members of the Fabian socialists. And it goes way back its origins at some very well known intellectuals, writers and so forth. But the point is, they had a headquarters in a house. I forgotten what part of England It was. It was the web house called Beatrice Webb owned the house. And it was the headquarters she donated a very wealthy woman. In fact, all these Fabian socialists were upper class, very wealthy people. It had a stained window in it and somebody had captured a photograph of it and I ran across the photograph. When you blow it up, and you look at it, I’m getting to the point, believe it or not, no, no. The Fabian, the Fabian socialists, they believe that gradualism was the way to take over the world. This is their go. They’re socialists and they want to take over the world. And they said, you don’t do it with guns and bayonets, you can slowly your your oil, Rolly. And you go, you go into the institutions of your target nation, you go into the school system and the media diversity financial centers, yes. And then you just gradually change it. But now, in the center of this montage in this colored glass, they have a couple other members and they’re the earth is represented on an anvil. Okay, the Earth is on an anvil. And these guys are standing there with hammers, and they’re smashing the earth. And then the line across the top comes from Omar Khayyam. And I once had it memorized. Let’s see how good I am. Everybody’s heard this line. And it’s once something like this, how sorry, the things are in the world. What’s not, though, and I conspire to break the things entire, and molded closer to our heart’s desire. Mm hmm. Those are the lines. So in other words, if you don’t like things, shatter them, break them completely, destroy them, and then there’s nothing left to resist you. Now you can rebuild out of the rubble, exactly what you want.
Jason Hartman 24:23
So what are what are they shattering them?
G Edward Griffin 24:26
They’re shattering the world, all of the political systems of the world must be broken, destroyed and forgotten, buried forevermore, so they can build their new socialist system, international socialist system, without opposition. So the first step for these people is to destroy Mm hmm. That’s it, to destroy when people are underneath. When people are worried about food and water worried about the basics they can get on. They don’t worry about freedom of speech. They don’t worry about taxes. You know, as long as they have food, there’s nothing they have no money for taxes. Anyway.
Jason Hartman 25:00
registered Bible and there’s there’s kind of like a another thing going on like another track, right they’ve got that track that you mentioned, but they’ve got the other track, which is the bread and circuses track right. Now you’ve got millennials that want avocado toast. Okay, instead of buying a house? Yeah, I mean, I mean, there’s that other track of the, you know, making people kind of passive and also, in fact, one of the conspiracy theories that I’m certainly willing to entertain, and I’m quite conflicted on this issue. You know, you look at this trend toward legalization of marijuana. You know, I certainly think it should be legal. I have libertarian beliefs. I think if someone wants to alter their state of mind, as long as they’re not driving a car or hurting anybody else, what businesses have the government to tell them? They can’t do that. However, at the same time, you know, that particular substance makes people very docile. It makes them very passive. And maybe this move toward that, you know, if you got a bunch of potheads, a bunch of millennial potheads, hippie smoking, like the hippies did in the 60s, you know, they’re, they’re not gonna rise up, they’re not gonna do much, right. They’re gonna just go with the flow. You know, me, it talks about that. talks about that one, but me it seems like,
G Edward Griffin 26:17
Well, yeah, that’s that is the that’s almost a, an ongoing debate for as long as I can remember, at what point is it proper for the state to intervene? And I think I know the answer to that it’s a it’s a harsh answer, because it means a lot of times you have to stand by and let the state just ignore these problems and try and, you know, leave it up to the citizens to handle rather than bring the power of the state in. And I agree with you that the state has no business in telling us what we can do as long as we’re not threatening the life, liberty or property of somebody else. But that means we have to have a principle and follow it all the way down. And that gets pretty hard. Because now Well, what do you what do you think about this poor person over there? Don’t we have an obligation to take care of that person? And my answer is, well, if we do, and I think we do, but then let’s dig into our pockets and do it voluntarily. Let’s not do it through this coercion processes of the state because now it gets corrupted, because people have to administer that, of course, and then they would rake something off of the top, and then they’ll reward their friends and punish their enemies. And we’re back to where we started. Because our intentions were good. So when you get a principle, you have to stick with it.
Jason Hartman 27:24
Yeah, yeah, they’ll dole out the favors to their cronies. Yeah. And that’s the way it always goes, you know, you see that at the government level, at every level of government, you see it in the United Nations and the oil for food program. You see it in the world of charities and foundations. It’s just, you know, it’s, it’s just a human thing. And we have to understand that humans are fallen creatures, they’re going to do that stuff. It’s terrible. But the way to reduce the amount of that corruption is to simply reduce the size and power of the institutions, because then they’re just as
G Edward Griffin 27:57
much to correct exactly that we were talking about that famous letter from Jefferson to a doctor friend of his, right after the constitution was enacted and adopted, why he got this letter from a friend and he said, Richard Jefferson, now that we have this new constitution, how can we be sure that only good men are elected to office? And the Jefferson’s reply was classic. Was this almost on the edge of irate? He said, speak to me, not of good men, rather, let us bind men down with the change of the Constitution? Boy, there it is. And he was saying, basically, hey, dummy, you think good men are going to go into office wake up, bad, bad men are going to go into office because it’s tempting. And the more power and money that’s there, the more tempting it is, the stronger magnet it is for the predator class is that of course, evil men are going to go into office, so don’t count on it. Don’t count on those good men. They’re not going to be there. So what we need to do is build a system so that it’s not attractive to
Jason Hartman 28:58
the crooks. Right. Exactly, exactly. I mean, if you know why, why is it that people will spend $25 million to win a job that pays 180 grand a year? That’s absolutely insane. You obviously know, that’s not just an ego trip. Okay. It’s way more than that. There. It’s a power trip. And somehow they always become incredibly wealthy. When they’re in Congress. I just, yeah, it happens.
G Edward Griffin 29:21
I know. Interesting. That’s amazing. Must be an act of God. It must be it must be.
Jason Hartman 29:27
Please give out your website and tell people where they can find out more.
G Edward Griffin 29:31
Well, thank you, Jason. The main thing on my agenda right now is the red pill Expo that we’re going to have in June 7 through nine in Hartford, Connecticut. And
Jason Hartman 29:42
depending on because this is like evergreen content, depending Okay, well, here this, this is something you do every year, right?
G Edward Griffin 29:48
We do it every year. Yes. So this year, it’s 2019. It’ll be in Hartford, Connecticut. This is number three. So we’re on the road and it’s smashingly successful event. In a nutshell. It’s that place where People go to, to break the illusions in their lives and discover truths that are being withheld from them. And there are plenty of those to go around. anybody is interested in that just look it up on the internet, you’ll find it under, you know, under red pill Expo. And so red pill expo.org probably will be it for evermore. So that’s very much, much of my life. But now, if people want to know what we think, what I think about how we can turn this around, I would invite you to what I like to think of is our Think Tank, which is freedom force international.org. That’s we have nothing to sell there except ideas, we talk about the kinds of things we’ve been discussing today, with an emphasis on finding practical solutions. And as I said before, the main solution is that we’ve got to recapture control of the system. We can’t just write letters to our corrupt congressmen, we have to replace those guys, with people like ourselves who have no axe to grind, you’re willing to make sacrifices to keep the system pure. And second, okay. And then if anybody wants to read some books, and watch some documentary films and lectures, which backup all of these ideas, I invite them to come to our bookstore, which is reality. zone.com
Jason Hartman 31:11
Good stuff, reality. zone.com G. Edward Griffin. Thanks again for joining us.
G Edward Griffin 31:15
All right. Thanks for the invitation.
Jason Hartman 31:19
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