Jason Hartman users this Flash Back Friday episode to host Libertarian Candidate, Dr. Lee Hieb. They discuss Ebola and its implications on society. The two go over some potential solutions to help alleviate the situation and look back and what could have done better. To end the show, they discuss the Libertarian party.
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Jason Hartman 2:13
It’s my pleasure to welcome Dr. Lee heap to the show. She is Iowa’s Libertarian candidate for governor. And she is a practicing orthopedic surgeon, she has become kind of the go to person on the subject of Ebola. We’ve got to think is this hype? Or is it a real threat that we all need to be very concerned about? Lee, welcome. How are you? Well, very good. Thank you for having good, good. It’s good to have you. And we tried our interview before on Skype and the connection just wasn’t working so well. So we are on a cell phone and we’ll do the best we can with sound quality here, Ebola, real threat or a lot of hype?
Dr Lee Hieb 2:46
Well, it is a real threat. I mean, right now, I think we’re all holding our collective breath to see how many people pop up with us. It’s bad disease for which we have no vaccination and no treatment, except supportive care so we can take care of the onesies twosies Eric Duncan, but the problem is if it starts spreading like wildfire, we’ve got problems. And, you know, we have a lot of really smart people in the CDC, they really do know how to take care of this. The problem is we’re the people that are in charge of the CDC, and many government agencies are political, and they’re choosing to be politically correct and not really choosing the right medical answer. You know, I just, I just tweeted out the link on my tweet feed about the CDC article on quarantine. You know, the, the problem is, when you have no treatment for a disease, the only way you can get it under control something this bad is to stop the transmission. And that means stop the movement of people. It’s just got to be done. You know, it’s absurd to say that you’re in self isolation, like this doctor in New York, and that self isolation consists of going in the subway and then going bowling. I mean, you have to ask yourself, what’s not self isolation, vomiting and Macy’s. I mean, it’s just absurd. So we really have to Have to and, you know, it’s it’s not. I’m a libertarian, I believe strongly in libertarian principles in the Constitution. But you don’t have the right to threaten somebody with a baseball bat even if you don’t hit them with it, you can’t just keep swinging at them. And essentially, that’s what you when you’ve been exposed to something like Ebola and let me tell you the bioterrorist threat that is the most fearsome is smallpox. So if we can’t handle this, this should be a knock on the door, we have to have a system in place for dealing with these things, because they’re out there. And they’re bad guys that want to get hold of them. And in this case, they can get ahold of the agent. Now for most Americans, let me just tell you, I’ll tell you what I’ve told my boys about smallpox and supersoft. to a lesser degree, it’s true about this. If this really starts cropping up in multiple cities, personally, I would stop flying for a while. And the way you protect yourself is simply not going to the area of outbreak and not being in transit where people with the outbreak with exposure, this isn’t something you need to duck your windows
Jason Hartman 4:59
flying. is the same as cruise ships. I mean, a cruise ship would be dangerous as
Dr Lee Hieb 5:03
well. Right? Yeah. I mean, if there’s really an outbreak that’s not under control, I purposely wouldn’t go on mass transit. That’s That’s exactly right. That’s the first thing I would cut down. And you know, the solution Liberia, this is the sad part, this could be solved in Liberia, what they need to do is they need to shut their borders, not to, not to people coming in and giving them help from the outside but to them flying out. That’s that’s just common sense. And then the second thing is they need to stop transportation between cities and towns. And then in those towns where the bola is that are considered hot zones where the Ebola is, is raging, you stop transportation between households, and the role of the international community really, in my opinion, this is just my my plan, but this is true. This is the tried and true plan we’ve used over centuries is then we bring medical care and food to your house, you don’t move. So people that you know we could we could supply food and hazmat suits is to the best of the international community and let people be taken care of in their homes, but Don’t don’t have people running out foraging for food, that is what’s going to cause this thing to keep continue. This would burn out two months, if we just that’s how it used to be when it was just in the jungle, it would just burn out in a couple months or less, and it would burn out because
Jason Hartman 6:11
the people who have it, would they die, they would die. And you know,
Dr Lee Hieb 6:15
the sad truth is we can’t make Liberia first world medical facility in the time it would take to solve this problem. So what we have to understand is, and to some extent, we can’t even save our own people, you know, look, we’ve had, I think we’re up to 24 Doctors Without Borders, and I think 16 are dead. So you know, the problem is those who are going to die are going to die, those that are going to live are going to live but then it’s going to be done. It’s not kinder to fail to quarantine people and let this kill thousands.
Jason Hartman 6:42
It couldn’t agree more, of course stop. But now let’s talk about the treatment side of it. There is no treatment and no cure. But we’ve had a couple of recoveries haven’t
Dr Lee Hieb 6:52
we? Well, you know, your ability to recover. I mean, they had done one I shouldn’t say there’s no treatment, they have done one treatment. Now that seems to be helpful. Now. They’ve taken blood transfusions from people who have survived the bowl and presumably have antibodies to it. That makes a lot of sense. You know, how many how much of that bloods available is the question that helps them again, when you have one or two victims not if you have thousands. You know, I suspect that our survival in America is going to be much better than in Liberia based on sanitation and health, General nutrition. So our immune function is better, you know, but it’s just like, you know, George Washington survived smallpox because he was just a tough dude. And he had a great immune system. And people in the old days, I mean, the healthier you are, the better chance you have of surviving it and people have certain corpse in their immune system that may make them more susceptible and or less susceptible, but it’s right now it looks like this particular outbreaks about 50 to 55% fail What can one do to strengthen their immune system? Well, actually, you know, I have a I don’t have to do this, but I’m also fellowship trained in anti aging medicine and that’s kind of my my new career path and my big hobby and my semi retirement but base Uh, I have a book coming out called called surviving the medical meltdown, which is, you know, getting what to do when you don’t have a doctor available in the future because I’m afraid that the medical system is about on the bridge collapse. But the whole center of that book is exactly what you said is how does how to be as healthy as you possibly can. And I’m going to tell you, if I had to pick one thing to tell people, the biggest it seems to be one of the miracle hormones we have is vitamin D. It’s not really a vitamin, it’s really a hormone. And if you see you said di resin dog, yeah, DJ, d3. It turns out that almost everybody’s D is low. unless you happen to be a native, you know, Aboriginal that lives on the equator and wears a loincloth, your D levels are low. You know,
Jason Hartman 8:45
in other words, because that person that Aboriginal spends a lot of time in the sun, right, the sun Yeah, but the problem is the sun the sun has bad side effects to like skin cancer. So getting the D from not only not just son is a good idea. Right?
Dr Lee Hieb 8:59
Right. And honestly, we just don’t live a lifestyle that would work for it’s not just about the hours in the sun. It’s also that if you take baths, it takes the oils out of the skin. There’s lots of different things. And a friend of mine who played 18 holes of golf six days a week in Arizona, where you are, I guess, he he, he basically his D was 20, which is really, really low. And, you know, and he wouldn’t believe me until I kept telling him, you should take vitamin D No, no, no, I play golf. Well, it didn’t work. So I take 10,000 units a day. It’s been shown, there’s never been an overdose of 10,000 units a day of vitamin d3. And in the Japanese study they did about influenza, they showed that having vitamin D levels elevated was more protected than the influence of vaccines. Now, influences of x is a virus also. And presumably, I mean, it just seems to be that people that their D levels are up had less diseases, including cancer. It turns out you get your vitamin D level over 55 and your risk of breast cancer goes down. By 83% you know, we never hear that from the government agencies. But the truth is, there’s a lot you can do to make yourself healthy. And that’s probably if I pick one thing of an IV, vitamin d3 actually heals the telomeres the ends of your DNA, so you have less rapid replicative mistakes. So I get all my patients on that.
Jason Hartman 10:20
I have another show that I’m just launching called the longevity show. And I am actually I had my telomeres tested because I you know, I’m interested in doing research for my show. And fortunately, according to my telomeres, I’m a little younger than I really am, which is good news. But I started taking ta 65 which is one of the other things they say you can do to lengthen the telomeres. I’m not exactly sure about that yet, but but it is it’s fascinating. Oh yeah, no, this is well, yeah,
Dr Lee Hieb 10:49
no, that’s very interesting. And I’ve thought about doing that. But I’m not convinced about the drug. You know, I mean, if I were convinced about the drug, I test my telomeres but like I want to hear from you to see what’s going on.
Jason Hartman 11:00
I’m not convinced either but the jury’s out. I’ll let you know in a year. Yeah,
Dr Lee Hieb 11:03
yeah, definitely take d3. And you know, other things, obviously good nutrition. Now, I’m a real believer in eliminating gluten from the diet. I think when we look back in medicine and 30 years, you know, and I have a whole chapter about why your doctor is out of date. And that book and this has to do again with you know, as I don’t say this, just this why I’m a libertarian is because I’ve seen what government does to everything. And every everything it touches, it poisons in some way. And it makes we’re practicing 30 year old medicine, if you’re doing a longevity show, you know this, that the standard medicine your doctor standardly gives you is out of date because of and one of the main reasons is the the government says the state medical boards and basically all states say their standard of care is if you’re not doing what 90% of your colleagues are doing, you’re out of date, because your we consider you wrong. Well, but you know, not in the old days, we consider the 10% leaders in their field, but now we stumped them and so people tend to go back and use these old methods just about to get trust. But it’s not ideal. So I think we’re gonna look back and say gluten was a bad actor. It turns out there’s no question that gluten is the cause of autoimmune disease, like rheumatoid arthritis sued big Scientific American article on that a few years ago, there’s books been written about that. But in my own experience, getting off gluten has changed lots of things in my health, and I just did in you get a better you can see it happening. And people when you get off gluten, lots of things get better. So I it’s a constant foreign protein that attacks your immune system. Now it attacks people in different ways. But if you want to be as healthy as you possibly can, so you don’t die from these bad viruses that are going around, that’s one of the things to do, I think,
Jason Hartman 12:38
okay, okay, so, so d3, get off gluten, take t through get off gluten, anything else to become strong? Like you said, you know, George Washington was just a tough day. Yeah, I think everybody wants to be right. Be tough. Yeah, you know, when when any any sort of thing goes around, it’s not just a bola,
Dr Lee Hieb 12:54
right. Well, I like it. I think gluten is a huge one. And in general, get off the low carb diet. mean burn and get off the high carb diet. I mean, we were meant to be meat and fat eater paleo, really I’m not really the Paleo Paleo Diet person. You know, I’m, I, I think in general, you know, I think you need good sleep. And a lot of people we extend there’s a great book by Ts Wiley called, lights out. And it’s about the problems of us extending our daylight hours through electric lights, and we really screw up our hormone production and do a lot of bad things by trying to, instead of living by the sun cycle, some of the healthiest people I know are the old farmer friends I have here in Iowa, live by the sun cycle when it gets dark, they go to bed when it gets light, they get up and go to work. Being in harmony with nature is a great idea. And I try to do that myself. Still can’t seem to sleep long enough though. But you know, I do I wake up a little bit before the sun usually and dim my lights in my home so that I naturally become tired in the evenings. Oh, that’s good. Yeah, no, that’s that’s the way to go. That’s what Suzanne Somers likes. About how she she lives her life and you know, I mean the the the pillars of anti aging medicine are basically good nutritionist and that is the basis you know good sleep. Exercise. I think I love weightlifting I think it’s probably the most beneficial exercise you can do for yourself. We were meant to pick things up and put them down everything right? And and and then take the right supplements and buy if you’re if you’re like I’m 62. So it’s bioidentical hormone replacement I believe in so I do all those things. And I feel pretty good. So I’m doing what I can too. But the other thing is, like I say, if it gets to the point where this is really popping up all over the place, it’s time to cancel that cruise In my opinion, what else
Jason Hartman 14:44
should we know about Ebola? So so be strong have a strong immune system. It more on the government’s response and what the government is, you know, doing not doing any criticisms of government?
Dr Lee Hieb 14:56
Well, I mean, it’s just insane to them for the President. For example, To say you can’t get it on the bus and then turn around and say, but don’t get on a bus because you might give it to somebody. I mean, you know, I think 10 year olds and figure out the logical fallacy there. That’s just, you know, we, we, this is not truly airborne, it doesn’t go through vents. You know, smallpox, in the last known case in Europe, went out the window of a German hospital into another wing and killed some student nurses. That’s airborne. Okay, this doesn’t do that. But what it does do is it gets gets, it really comes out apparently in all of your body fluids, including sweat, so Dr. Ron Arno said the other night I heard him he’s a he’s one of the smart guys in the CDC. And he said, he knows two doctors touched the patient and got and was killed by the virus. So this is not just like, you know, when they first came out and said, Oh, this is blood borne. They were making it like HIV. You know, they were so worried about people being stigmatized, they just so worried about the political correctness aspects here. They’re not being scientifically correct. And it’s Not like HIV, yes, it’s in the serum. It’s in the blood. But it’s but it, but HIV doesn’t come out in your sweat. It doesn’t come out in your tears. Nobody gets it from that kind of casual contact. This you do. So that’s the that’s the point. Now, the other thing we don’t know about it is how long it lives on fomites, meaning the intermediaries, you know, inanimate objects. Like when Eric Duncan was in the emergency room checking in, did he chew on the tip of the pen? You know, that, you know, he had his hands all over, he would vomited. He had his hands all over the desk. How long does the Ebola live on those surfaces? We don’t know. There’s one study, I just read off the NIH, the National Institutes of Health website, they said it lasts up to 50 days. Well, that could be a real problem. So I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet here. But I think it’s looking better that we don’t we’re not having a mass outbreak so far. You know, that’s assuming our government is actually telling us about who is really coming down with this. I mean, I hate to be skeptical, but these guys have not been real forthcoming and they’ve they’ve kind of done assembled rather than be the straight up about this. So I have to say I want to know what happens to his fiance I want a negative as well as a positive. You know, it’s a physician when i when i when i wait to hear the news, that’s the kind of thing I wait to hear from, okay, he got home to the from, from touching Ebola patients getting exposed to Ebola. He comes down with it, he has a fiance presumably at least kissed what happened to her. I want to know, you know, when I hear them,
Jason Hartman 17:24
how come we don’t know that? Well.
Dr Lee Hieb 17:26
Amazing. How can you say that? It’s the silences? Definitely. And I that worries me a little bit because I
Jason Hartman 17:32
think wouldn’t wouldn’t I mean, the media is not a lapdog of well, not completely. But, you know, why wouldn’t the media have figured that
Dr Lee Hieb 17:38
out by now? You know, I,
Jason Hartman 17:40
some ambitious reporter would be, you know, anxious to break that story. Right?
Dr Lee Hieb 17:45
Well, one would think I tell you, I’ve had my own experiences with the media as a Libertarian candidate for governor in Iowa Can you say they’re not the lap dogs but they get paid and make a lot of money from government and they don’t go against the government. So you know, in our state. It’s almost feels Like there was an edict that went out this this cycle Don’t even mention that nasty little word libertarian because they keep pesky. They keep popping up talking about the constitution and things we don’t want to talk about.
Jason Hartman 18:09
Why, hey, I, you know, when I when I talked to Steve Forbes and one of his daughters, they just told me about the second time when he ran, it was a media blackout. Yeah, they just they would not cover Steve Forbes,
Dr Lee Hieb 18:20
right. They have the power to tell people not to say thing. Yeah. So I have to say we don’t know if they know the other side of it is unfortunately, I with some exceptions, and I don’t mean to damn all science writers. There’s some very good science writers out there. But most of them, let’s face it, most of the reporters that are covering this are just parroting what they’re being told by somebody. And they’re not. They don’t really have the scientific background to think about that. I mean, maybe I that to me, it’s an obvious question. I mean, you know, we we’ve heard a little bit about Duncan’s family, but we haven’t heard very much lately. I just want to know the negatives as well as the positive so to know what to think I know that the cost I mean, if you look at what’s happened at Bellevue Hospital, and this, this is what I’ve said, My governor in Iowa, who’s been in power as long as saddam By the way, and the guy’s a Republican, comes out and says, We’re not going to quarantine Ebola patients. And I said, I said, You know, I know this is not the hugest issue for us, and I will, but really, what does that say? It says that he’s willing to say to you, okay, you just got back from Liberia retreating Ebola patients, and now you can not go work in the daycare camp. You can go teach fifth grade, or drive a public class or be a checkout clerk at the grocery store. I mean, really, is that what he’s saying? Because that is the alternative. There’s not much in between. and that you know, and so, what I said to that what I’ve said when people have asked me I will about this I said, Look at what just the cost of this to New York City has been besides the subway cleansing and the the bowling alley shutting down. Look at what Bellevue Bellevue Hospital is about twice as big as the University of Iowa. I mean, it’s huge. It’s a huge hospital. I think it’s bigger than St. Joe’s See, it has to it had to ship all ICU patients to another hospital, except for the two patients they’re treating because it is so staff intensive to treat those two patients safely. And because they don’t want to cross contaminate to anybody else. It is extremely, there’s a huge cost to being stupid about them.
Jason Hartman 20:19
That’s for sure. Okay, so huge cons to being stupid. Certainly fair. I think everything you said about the government. Ebola has been around for a while, though. I mean, how is it that, you know, it seems like this is sort of a new, different strain that where you’re gonna say,
Dr Lee Hieb 20:36
well, it’s a different strain, but that’s not the problem. The problem is transportation. So it used to be that this would break out in these little isolated villages in Sub Saharan Africa. And the villagers didn’t go anywhere. They just all died in place, essentially, you know, maybe a few would live but they didn’t go anywhere until the disease burned out and maybe somebody would find a few people or whatever. We’ve looked for years for decades. We look for the internet. Post somewhere in the jungle and I’m not sure they know. I don’t think they know yet. I mean, they looked at Taekwondo and all sorts of stuff
Jason Hartman 21:05
looked at what Sorry, I didn’t hear that,
Dr Lee Hieb 21:07
that that guano Okay, droppings from bats in caves. I mean, they tried to isolate it from something in some animal vector where it stays alive in between human outbreaks. And I don’t think we know what that is yet. But But the point is, what has happened is we’ve paid the highways now into the deeper jungle areas. And so now somebody gets sick, there’s more of a chance they transmit out what happened in this case was a doctor actually went to one of these jungle villages got contaminated, got gunned affected, and he drove 82 miles out of that village to his local village where he got sick and died contaminated I mean, transmitted it to other people who went to the coast. And once it got in Monrovia, and once it got into the coastal cities in Liberia, Katie by the door, that’s when it got out of control. And before anybody really knew what was going on, and then once they figured out what was going on, you know, it’s a pretty dramatic disease. Most of us have never seen a case But those that have seen it’s a it’s a pretty dramatic disease just you bleed out from your orifices and you just just, it’s very dramatic so that once they figured out what was going on, but the problem is, then you have to call them a fear and you have to, you have to contain it. And that’s if they’d done it right. Initially, it wouldn’t have been this damaging, but they didn’t
Jason Hartman 22:16
contain it. Yeah, that’s terrible. That really is anything more you want to mention about Ebola, just, you know, didn’t even talk about, you know, the the military. I mean, what would happen next say it did get really bad. The other thing we got to be afraid of is like an excuse to use martial law. Some say this is an excuse to get our troops into these African countries for other reasons. You know, what do you think about our military being over there, you
Dr Lee Hieb 22:42
know, and Brendan, bringing it back? I think that’s really a mistake. I don’t think this is the role of our military and for once, whereas the US I mean, the UN is the World Health Organization is part of the UN if there were once in a lifetime The answer is the UN. This is it. I just wonder why they don’t value the UN as I know it. I said I sarcasm but I’m just saying they always want to invoke to you and for all sorts of other things, but now they want us, you know, but but I can’t think you know, I’ve personally I’m a little bit. I keep saying this. And, you know, I’ve said this several times is that if, if What if the Obama administration were simply incompetent, and once in a while they would act on random chance alone in the security interest of America, but they never seem to, you know, we’ve got our troops over and Afghanistan getting chewed up for no good strategic purpose. Now we’re sending our we let our borders become porous to the point that we can’t, we’re getting other diseases By the way, like Chagas disease and multiple drug resistant TB, which is a horrible disease. That’s now that we’ve eradicated from America before pretty much and now it’s coming back, you know, thank you to this administration for leaving the borders open to these central South American disease victims. And now we’re going to send away our National Guard. I mean, to me, that’s the perfect trifecta of just degrading your security. I’m sorry. I Just don’t get that. So and the other thing I just worried about our troops because if you can tell me they’re not going to be finally they’ve come out and said but they’re going to be doing over there they sent them without telling us really what they’re going to be doing okay. They’re going to be building shelters and, and stations for taking care of these okay fine and good but they are in an endemic country. They’re not going to be like me, well, maybe they are. But our experience in the past with military in diseases in disease prone areas is they get the disease to some degree. I mean, whether we’re talking HIV or malaria, we’ve we’ve we’ve not been able to contain it and keep it out of our troops in the past when I was in the Navy, but in the past, like when we when we did extractions, and it was generally the Navy Marine Corps team that would do that in the seals. It would be an amphib ship off the coast of Liberia that would be the backup. So it looks like what they’re planning on doing now is if somebody gets sick, I noticed that the military now is building their, you know, these modules that they shipped the doctor back from Africa. It’s an isolation module. But it’s a one person shipment. Okay, it costs like $100,000 to some of your get him back. And it was for one person? Well, if you really had a lot of people that you needed to ship back, that wouldn’t be the way to do it. So I guess the company that’s building that the built those modules now is building these troop size modules that can fit into a troop transport, I guess, with 11 or 12. at a time, you know, we need I guess we’re gonna if we’re going to do this, I mean, they have to be you have to have support for the troops. And in general, in America, it just really did become a big problem. I think we could afford to have a, we need to have a center that does nothing but treat Ebola patients if it gets like that, because, again, you can’t shut down every major hospital in America to treat two patients. And that’s what we’ve seen at Bellevue. You know, they’re only four hospitals in America that actually have isolation units that can treat these things, you know, like they would do at a high level facility. So, I think that’s what we would have to make sense makes sense. The only problem As we would have to move the Ebola patients and yeah, so this is just a huge problem, of course, yeah, that we can do with these isolation units that we can do. I’m not worried about that and we actually have on your own Hong wiac they actually pull a patient into UMC because they’re one of the four hospitals University of Nebraska Medical Center, so that you know when you see the thing of it is and this is the other piece of disinformation I think that the government put out, oh, everything’s fine. We have protocols as if a protocol is giving a hospital has never dealt with these people. This disease, a piece of paper that tells you the steps to take is really going to answer the situation No, you need equipment, training and leadership all of which were lacking. But of course, it’s like in all fairness is like the first shots in the war never, you know, never go well because you’re not expecting it. But you know, when they’re talking about oh, we have we have precautions, and they were talking about hospital downs, paper downs, you know, latex gloves and non occlusive masks. That’s what we use to help prevent stains. And Pseudomonas in a hospital that is not adequate for a bullet never was. And that’s what they sent the nurses in with. And I think, you know, it’s hard the problem there is it’s hard to take them off without contaminating yourself. In the real level for containment facilities like fort Dietrich, what they had is they have bio containment suits that are washed down and decontaminated before you take off the suit. Well, now now, I guess they’re getting more of those out there. But, you know, that’s the right I mean, I hear the CDC starting to squeak and say the right things like we’re going to send it we’re not expecting you guys to know how to do it. We’ll send a team to you if you have a case. Good idea, guys. That’s what you should have done. First place. Yeah,
Jason Hartman 27:35
right. Exactly. too. too little too late. It’s, it’s a common common problem. Talk a little bit about your candidacy, if you would, for just a moment. Since you are a doctor. Of course, Ron Paul is a doctor. He’s a politician. I followed for many years. What are your thoughts about your own candidacy? You know, just what what you’re working on. And then you know, any mentions on Obamacare because it’s, you know, we’re talking politics and doctors
Dr Lee Hieb 28:00
Well, you know, Ron Paul is actually a fellow member of the Association of American physicians of services. I’m one of the past presidents of that organization. And we’re kind of a libertarian arm of the, of the better of organized medicine where the people that actually believe that medicine is between a doctor and a patient, not between a doctor and a government bureaucrat and a patient. And we’re kind of where the free market arm of organized medicine. So, you know, I wonder, being a libertarian is kind of a process of becoming kind of like Buddhist enlightenment. I always tell people, you know, I was a lifelong Republican. I mean, I was a very conservative person, and people say, why did you leave the republican party? And I said, Well, I didn’t really leave them. They left me I’m still standing on the constitution
Jason Hartman 28:40
to coin coin, the Ronald Reagan phrase, I love that when he when he left the Democrats. Yeah,
Dr Lee Hieb 28:44
I didn’t know I stolen that from them. You know, I’m in a state where we have a republican governor who has been our governor and for the most part of the last 25 years, yet we have the highest corporate tax rate in the nation, which possibly makes us the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Isn’t that sad? We have one of the top personal tax rates. We just gotten the last budget cycle, the biggest budget increase in the history of the state. You know, we have 20% more government workers per capita in the state of Iowa than they do in California. This is bad. We are regulated from the time we get up in the morning till the time we go to bed at night. And it’s by unelected immoral boards. It’s not your elected officials it’s it’s it’s like Professor hamburger at Columbia Law School says about it’s the abrogation constitutional authority. It’s it’s just taking authority onto the into the governor’s hands and setting up these administrative offices that do with exactly what the constitution prohibited. And that is your there’s only supposed to be three ways you make law and it should start in the legislative body. You shouldn’t be able to just set up and Obamacare is a perfect example of this as is Medicare. It’s not It’s not what the legislators wrote like, you know, I was on john stossel years ago when he was wondering, Obamacare was first published and he brought up this big clump of papers and put it on the Like, you know, this is good sleep medicine for your kids read the Miss bill. And he says 2800 pages and I said to him, I said, No, that’s not really important. That could be an untranslated Greek owed Obamacare. What you really need to know is it’s the one line that says we authorize Health and Human Services to write Administrative Code that carries the force of law. And that’s what we have at all levels of government, but especially our status is really gone through this. And we know here we are in Iowa, wrong, milk is illegal. I tell people if you have raw milk is illegal. You know, what, what? How do you think you’re going to be allowed to choose your health care? Or how are you going to be able to carry a weapon? I mean, let’s take back our state for liberty. That’s why I’m in this race. And honestly, I think we’ve done a lot. You know, the first thing we’ve done is we’ve raised the consciousness of Iowans, and I know that’s happening because a lady was heard at the grocery store the other day saying, you know, I didn’t know it, but I think I might be a libertarian. You know, when I start, I started this race. People thought libertarians wore tinfoil hats and We’re all about marijuana legalization, you know, so we’ve moved the ball. We’ve moved the football forward, and we’ve shown no, we’re about liberty, constitutional Liberty, and that no matter what your issue is, you three people do it better. And we just have to get back our individual liberty. The only thing I think we’re good, I think we’ve exposed you already. We’re talking about the media. You know, we’ve been, we’ve been having a lot of fun with I will public TV, but they exclude they this year, they completely excluded all third parties and independence from the debate. Now, I was one of the nine states again, when you have what I’ve learned in this, I guess, process of becoming what I’ve learned in this is we have two big parties, and they may look like they’re different. They may act in public, like they’re different on social, they’re the same
Jason Hartman 31:45
thing. They’re the same thing. Bradley, you know,
Dr Lee Hieb 31:47
not just practically get this one. You can’t make this stuff up in the state of Iowa right now. JACK hatch, the Democratic challenger is the business partner of the Gulf. The Republican governors biggest contributor to So now
Jason Hartman 32:02
you can make thoughts. And so basically,
Dr Lee Hieb 32:03
because we’ve been looked at first we wondered, why is there no evidence of campaign workers for jack cash? Well, it turns out, he’s never been running against the government. He’s been running with him. It’s been a fix. It’s like WWF wrestling? You know,
Jason Hartman 32:17
that’s exactly the analogy I always use, you know, it’s like a wrestling match. It’s all just right now. It’s a fake. It’s a fake opposition, you
Dr Lee Hieb 32:25
know, and I didn’t realize how fake it was and how criminal this whole enterprise was until I got really into the race. And I’ve been watching it. And they’ve because he owns the opposition except for me. And because he owns the media, I mean, they control the electoral process, the political machine, and I don’t care if your sister Teresa, if you’ve been in power for 20 years, you’ve taken over the process, an evil thing. That is inimical to individual liberty and to us maintain liberty for our children. We need to we need to stop this. So if for no other reason, you need to you need to vote differently. That’s it. I mean, you can’t keep went down that road. So anyway, I will public TV refused to have us in the debates and they have all these apparently objective criteria to exclude us and one of them is you have to be a member of a real party. Well, guess what? You know, I will legislature conveniently the two big parties voted not to let the libertarians be a real party, even though we’re the biggest party
Jason Hartman 33:17
and how convenient are real. I mean, I mean, can you believe how disgusting that is a real party? Who is it for them to decide what a real party is? How about if the people decide that, you know, this is unbelievable. The two party system is a complete scam. It’s just window dressing. It’s just window dressing.
Dr Lee Hieb 33:34
Unbelievable. And it’s funny to me is and I say this as a recovering Republican. It’s funny to me that I always thought we were the party of principle. And we complain about the democrats using the Saul Alinsky principle of it’s never the it’s never the issue. It’s always about consolidation of power. But now that I’m outside, I see the republicans doing exactly the same thing. And I’m not denigrating the grassroot guy. I’m talking about the level of Governor up the people that are running for national office, the people the big national parties and the big state party. It’s about, it’s about staying in power. It’s not about doing the best for the state or the or the nation that I can see. You know, you know, I mean, because we’re seeing commercials that say, I gave you the biggest tax cut in the history of the state, no government, you gave a few of your crony capitalist buddies, the biggest tax cuts. It’s not they didn’t give tax cuts to everybody, they get tax cuts to a few of their friends, and at the expense of all of us. And I suspect that in your state in every state that’s going on to one degree or the other. So, in general, I would say it’s it before I tell I tell people this election cycle, particularly, it’s more important to be attached to your liberty less attached to your political party, and let’s take down the two party system. Let’s let’s you know, 60% of people want a third party on the ballot. People pride themselves in saying we vote for the candidate not for the party. Let’s really start doing that. And that’s been the message we’ve been trying to get out and I think it’s been good at it along the way we’re making fun of I will public TV because we have a little bit Bird, video or big bird is invited to join the good birds club. And he thinks he should be able to go because he’s a good bird. He has vegetables and does things for his mommy. But when it gets there, his feet are too big, objective criteria. So that kind of fun,
Jason Hartman 35:13
very good point. We’ll leave give out your website and tell people where they can learn more about your campaign.
Dr Lee Hieb 35:18
Yeah, I’m at WWW dot Hebe HIE B, it’s I before e if so it’s here. 20 fourteen.org or.com keep 2014 calm. And, you know, join us on Facebook and Twitter where really most of the action is that all the issue papers and all this stuff is on the on the website. And we appreciate anybody supported wants to help. You know if we’re going to save America, we got to say one state at a time. And we’re trying to make that viable right now.
Jason Hartman 35:45
Excellent. Fantastic. Well, Lee, thank you so much for joining us today.
Dr Lee Hieb 35:48
Well, thanks for inviting me. This has been fun.
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